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Thread: Magazine Catch issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Christiansen View Post
    It was a Frankengun. Guy said the parts came from some place I had never heard of, so I didn't retain the name. Is there a Redstone Armory or something like that?
    Okay folks here is the scoop. I am the LEO who's friend made these guns for us. The place where the parts were ordered from is called Blackthorn Products. I have a very basic knowledge of the AR (recently updated and educated by some fantastic people, NED & PAT being two of them). That being said I am no where near qualified to start bashing that company. All I can speak for is my experience and we got a lot of bad stuff from them including my AR which I'll tell you about next. I would never ever order anything from Blackthorn after my friends experience. Do some Google searching for yourself (I wish he did before ordering the parts). Here are the first four Google responses that came up when I searched them. http://www.1919a4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13297
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    http://bananafufu.blogspot.com/2010/...-they-lie.html

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    http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/623...arts-kits.html

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    My AR

    Okay, my AR that my friend built was not as bad as some of the others. We replaced the mag catch which is the one pictured earlier in this thread I believe. I have one of those cheese ball castle nuts which will be getting replaced. My headspace was slighly off ( I don't know the amount but the rifle was functioning well) and was fixed by Patrick Sweeney, thank you again sir! The major problem I had was fixed prior to my class with Ned & Pat. When I received the rifle I went to shoot it and it was short stroking. The bolt would go far enough back to eject the spent casing but not far enough to even start to grab a new round. I sent it back to my friend who found that the gas hole on the A2 style front sight that was mounted and the hole in the barrel for the gas to pass through didn't line up as they should. Poor manufacturing. He replaced the front A2 style sight with a gas block and thankfully my rifle has gone about 3,000 rounds without a problem. Again he built my rifle with parts ordered from Blackthorn Products. They gave him a very hard time when he called about replacing the A2 sight and barrel and refused to replace the part or parts that were bad. He did contact the BBB and filed a complaint. Again my opinoin only but stay away from Blackthorn Products!

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    FWIW Blackthorn is about as bottom feeder as the AR market gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    FWIW Blackthorn is about as bottom feeder as the AR market gets.
    Exactly what I was going to post--isn't it the same company as Hesse/Vulcan?

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    That was it. I knew the name had a color in it!

    So, if there IS a place with the "I think it was something like" name I posted, my apologies. In fact, just in case, I've edited that post. Don't want to equate anybody with this outfit mentioned by XBPA Charlie 386.

    These parts defy reason. Some are, without doubt, rejects from somewhere. I can see a manufacturer offering parts having more than one level of quality, but when parts are this far out of spec, and are intended to go on guns, well that's just rotten. The manufacturer should not be selling them. Anybody buying them to resell as "OK" is a crook. I would say I suspect dumpster diving here but in the presumed quantity, that does not hold up.

    Now, certain other parts are not rejects, they are just made bad by people who don't know/don't care. Such as the mag catches and castle nuts. They are too different in the method of manufacture and too consistently bad between the several parts examined to just be scrap or out of spec. They are made poorly, plain and simple.

    Thanks for the info, XBPA Charlie 386.

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    I think this issue is a subset of the much broader problem of counterfeit fasteners and other hardware, not just a cheap company trying to scam a few extra buck by selling cheap hardware copies and palming them off as real. Many companies in a variety of industries are TRYING to use good hardware but their distributers are sandbagging them by buying cheap hardware and selling it to the mfgr as real.

    http://www.allbusiness.com/professio.../354500-1.html

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    It is the same attitude, certainly.

    "Let's make something that looks enough like the real thing, that people will buy it. Once we have the money, who cares what happens?"

    The wierd part is, in many cases they coulda made it right for the same money. I swear sometimes it seems like a company goes to extra expense and trouble to make it wrong!

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    I just now got around to following all of XBPA's links. A barrel with a misplaced gas port, and one taper pin cut, welded up..... unbelievable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Christiansen View Post

    These parts defy reason. Some are, without doubt, rejects from somewhere.
    I'm not sure what is worse, the manufacturers that sell the reject parts, or the companies that knowingly purchase them.
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    Just a quick one to the OP-
    Did you check to see if GI mags work?
    It is possible that the magwell of your lower might be a bit long, causing the top ridge of the Pmag or the little bumps to hang and prevent full insertion. It was a problem with S&W guns for a while, and the fix is to simply do some light sanding.

    I'm not saying that it is the problem, but rather a quick check to keep you from straying too far if it is.
    Last edited by Failure2Stop; 09-07-10 at 21:44.
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