Optics Recommendations?

[DTHN2LGS]

I got my Aimpoint T-1/LaRue Mount from here:

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...&category=PKGS

The C3/ADM Package with the High Mount and 2 moa dot was what I first looked at to save money, but I came up with the $$$ for the T-1 Package Deal anyhow. I am completely satisfied with the purchase and the customer service of the company.

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[usmcvet]

Have you looked on the equipment exchange board? There were two T1's in LaRue high mounts one for$ 495 and the other for$ 500. I always look there first.

[kmrtnsn]

"Good point. So in an ideal world, what optic would you have your agency equip? "

Aimpoint Comp M4s.

[crusader377]

The C3/ADM Package with the High Mount and 2 moa dot was what I first looked at to save money

I have this set up and IMO it is a great value for the money. It is the most affordable of the current aimpoints yet it still is very durable and reliable with an excellent battery life.

[M4Fundi]

Aimpoint all the way. For those who know how to use them with both eyes open it is NOT like looking down a tube. You do not notice the optic at all and you see the dot floating out in front of you where ever you look. It is VERY FAST and you can opt for a very lightweight small T1 with a 4 MOA dot or a bargain price on the M3 with 2 or 4 MOA dot or go all out and get the M4S with a 2 MOA dot put one AA battery in it and forget about it. They are more rugged than an Eotec anyday.

[kaltesherz]

Yet another suggestion for Aimpoint, EOtech's may have improved over the years but they're still not as durable nor have the battery life of Aimpoints. While the T1/H1 are the bees knees, don't dismiss older M2/M3/C3 models are well. For mounts Larue and Bobro are the way to go.

I've got an M3 on Larue LT-150 which offers 1/3 co-witness, QD w/ return to zero, and even an extra battery compartment and I couldn't be happier. I keep it on all the time and never worry about the battery dying... I'll probably rotate batteries every couple years as I have a bunch lying around.

[Hmac]

What evidence do you have that current Eotechs still have reliability issues? Other than old anecdotes from "guys who heard from guys who knows someone who had a problem with an Eotech a couple of years ago", I just don't see it...especially in view of my own set of Eotech anecdotes which run to the contrary.

MY anecdotes suggest that the Eotech reticle and non-tube window (better usability and better accuracy) in conjunction with the much lower cost makes the Eotech sights a better buy.

IOW, I reject your reality and substitute my own.


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[kmrtnsn]

Hmac,

I am talking about the 100+ Eotech equiped M4's that we are CURRENTY fielding. 20 of these rifles were newly issued THIS YEAR. The problems that I am referring to are happening NOW. These are issue rilfes, moved around daily, and fired quartery at a minimium. The SRT carbines are fired monthly. These are not rifles that sit in safes and go to the range once a year or every six months so their "reality" might be a bit different than yours.

Ken

[Hmac]

Hmac,

I am talking about the 100+ Eotech equiped M4's that we are CURRENTY fielding. 20 of these rifles were newly issued THIS YEAR. The problems that I am referring to are happening NOW. These are issue rilfes, moved around daily, and fired quartery at a minimium. The SRT carbines are fired monthly. These are not rifles that sit in safes and go to the range once a year or every six months so their "reality" might be a bit different than yours.

Ken

Agreed. I appreciate you amplifying your experience. Anecdotal evidence doesn't need to always be rejected out-of-hand, but one always needs to evaluate its validity, especially when it comes from the Internet.

[JSantoro]

What evidence do you have that current Eotechs still have reliability issues? .

The primary-source guys that dismiss EOTech unreliability reports are generally guys who can simply step up to an armory window and simply ask for another one. They don't tend to look at actual instances of failure held up against, say, a population of 6000+ rifles and those devices issued as a combo and see 20+% of the optics go down. All they know is their own story.

I see armory inventories in which the EOTech redundancy is 30%, whereas ACOG/Aimpoint redundancy is often less than 12%. Those redundancies are there so that a fresh optic can be handed out when one comes in for repair, so if you need more on-hand to swap vs. another optic within the same weapon population, that's what's known in investigative circles as "a clue."

In those instances in which those devices go down, it may be an easy fix. That's not the same as reliable, just that it's easy to swap parts. Relaible means not having to swap parts or bend battery contct points in the first place.

Hell, I just got a 552 that's been left alone for about 2yrs; no corrosion, springs appear to be okay, yadda yadda. Does it work? Of course not. Since I got it for free, so we'll see what a new battery box and contacts will do for it before I take it to a 2171. That thing ain't going on a go-to gun, I can guarantee that.

Keep an eye on the XPS varaints, though. They look like they may level the field somewhat.