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    Account of Poker robbery/shooting

    To be clear this is a third hand account. The shooter/victim told the story to my brother-in-law and he then told me. My sister also confirmed the story when I was being told by my brother-in-law because she was there when the shooter/victim told the story as well.

    So anyway, my brother-in-law recently spoke extensively with the shooter/victim himself of a poker robbery (friend of a friend)and I figured there would be value in sharing his account. This happened last September somewhere around Houston, TX. There are plenty of articles on the internet if you want to read them but he said he hasn't read one that was remotely close to what actually happened.

    Here is how he said it went down (I'll refer to the shooter as John):

    John and a group of guy's were participating in a high stakes poker game in some warehouse. Apparently John regularly does this. There was said to be around $100,000 on the table. He explained how it was legal as long as nobody is taking a cut maybe? I was confused about the legality of it but he said it was good to go. Anyway it was early morning when two masked gunmen entered the building, rushed in, and surrounded the table. John said it was obvious the gunmen were high on drugs. They ordered everyone to stand up and then one gunmen stood guard over the group while the other began to take every player into a backroom one at a time and shake them down. John said one of the poker players was so frozen with fear he couldn't get up when the gunmen ordered him to and as a result they shot him in the leg. John said there was blood everywhere but the man managed to stand after that.

    Thankfully, John has a concealed carry permit and all the while has a G23 tucked away. He said he knew at some point he was going to have to draw his weapon. He said to himself this is it, I'm actually going to have to pull my weapon on another human and possibly take his life. He said it was such a surreal moment and his heart rate went through the roof. John was then looking for the opportunity to make his move and his moment would come when it was his turn to go to the backroom with one of the gunmen. John said when he walked into the backroom the gunmen actually put his weapon of the ground! Right then, John drew from concealment and fired twice hitting him twice and he hit the ground. John expected that to be it for gunmen #1 after getting two clean center mass hits with a .40. Wrong. Gunman #1 was alive and well, grabbed the weapon he put on the ground earlier and fired at John. This is when John fired 9 more times finally killing the perp. After hearing all the ruckus, gunman #2 came in with his weapon but John was at the ready and scored another two hits on the BG. This man managed to escape because what they didn't know was that there was a getaway car waiting outside. John said the other BG was bleeding badly and thinks he died shortly after but we'll never know. Also, John was out of ammo at this point and when he realized this he was scared to death. John tried to follow the gunman but to no avail. He then went to the police station with his lawyer.

    He was not arrested. After all this he said he is down $27,000 in legal fees and will more than likely be cleared of any wrong doing.

    What I learned:

    • Fire until the threat at hand is no longer a threat.
    • Carry at the very least one spare mag. (He went to slidelock on the second gunmen but luckily the BG had enough. What if the second gunman came up firing like the first one? What if the third BG would have come in with a weapon?
    • Some people would have you think that a .40 is big enough to knock someone of their feet and kill with one shot. This scumbag got shot in the chest twice and still fired back. It seems all handgun rounds do is poke holes. Just get a caliber, whether it be 9mm, .40, .45, .357 sig, that you can put enough holes in a vital spot fast and accurately.
    • Life is unfair and expensive. $27,000 just to clear your name? Have a good lawyer.


    link to an article...http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6600538.html
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    One thing I am curious about. In Arizona you cannot be charged by a prosecutor unless they have evidence that it was not self defense. I would think that Texas would have a similar law.

    Was the fact that he was at (I assume an illegal game) the reason why he wasn't cleared right away?

    I see that apparently the game wasn't illegal. So I am curious as to why he has had to spend so much money to defend himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    One thing I am curious about. In Arizona you cannot be charged by a prosecutor unless they have evidence that it was not self defense. I would think that Texas would have a similar law.

    Was the fact that he was at (I assume an illegal game) the reason why he wasn't cleared right away?

    I see that apparently the game wasn't illegal. So I am curious as to why he has had to spend so much money to defend himself.
    I'm not very clear on all of that but I will try to find out more. It may be because it took a while to determine the legality of the poker game. I do know a grand jury is to decide whether to issue any indictments very soon.

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    if he had a spendy lawyer, the shit will add up really quick. just by the time the two of them got out of the police department that night he was probably already up to a couple grand. phone calls, more phone calls, an office visit or two- at $200/hr, it's easy to see it happen. but if he regularly sits at a poker table with 100,000 big macs in the pot, he's probably not gonna go bankrupt over it.

    good on him for surviving. that's some serious end-game shit right there.. the stuff of action movies.

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    I forget the exact amount of money, but I had heard in a recent Insights IDH class that one of the lawyers John Holschen knows said it can cost up to X tens of thousands of dollars pretrial in a justifiable defensive shooting. That is just the money spent by a good lawyer talking to the prosecutor, you, talking to witnesses and getting other ducks in a row in case it goes to trial. I want to say it was something like 70-80k, but like I said I don't recall the exact amount. My brain was busy concentrating on the other things I was learning: one handed manipulations, firing from unconventional positions, trying to learn not to crowd my cover, etc.
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    I'm sorry to interfere with legal precedent, but I think that the conversation should focus on what there was to learn from his actions and the responses of the attackers.

    1- Sometimes, when you are close, you just gotta slip a bullet into the brain stem. This would be a good time to grab the f**cers ear and shoot him in the eye or upward through the throat. Follow with a few more.

    2- If you plan to put a bunch of bullets into the guy, you better reload fast; because you don't know where and how many friends he might have.

    3- It easier to hold a room than fight out of a room. If you got it, use it to your advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    3- It easier to hold a room than fight out of a room. If you got it, use it to your advantage.
    Great point. That hadn't crossed my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I'm sorry to interfere with legal precedent, but I think that the conversation should focus on what there was to learn from his actions and the responses of the attackers.
    I was actually wondering if "John" had any formal training, and how he felt about his general competence in the aftermath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    One thing I am curious about. In Arizona you cannot be charged by a prosecutor unless they have evidence that it was not self defense. I would think that Texas would have a similar law.

    Was the fact that he was at (I assume an illegal game) the reason why he wasn't cleared right away?

    I see that apparently the game wasn't illegal. So I am curious as to why he has had to spend so much money to defend himself.
    I'm fairly certain that regardless of whether or not the shooting is completely justified, all homicides go to the grand jury. This jury decides whether or not the facts as presented should result in an indictment in criminal court. The Police/DA present the facts, and if all is on the up and up, the jury returns a "No Bill" due to self defense and everything is good.

    It never hurts to have a well prepared attorney to cover all your bases when the fresh-out-of-law-school first year assistant D.A. is presenting your case.

    You also have civil suits, etc, (however completely baseless) that families of the scumbags will bring against the victim.

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