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    Quote Originally Posted by Erratikmind View Post
    Really!? . . . That is quite an interesting observation on your part.
    The implication that shearing the buffer retainer out of stupidity on my part says anything about the quality of my gear is clever. You should congratulate yourself on your wit. Well done, sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidz71 View Post
    There are times that someone has asked me to work on a weapon and I will either do so or if I don't feel like it then I will pass. Maybe the gunsmith is not into the AR thing and has enough business already.
    That hadn't occurred to me but makes quite a bit of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Complication View Post
    The implication that shearing the buffer retainer out of stupidity on my part says anything about the quality of my gear is clever. You should congratulate yourself on your wit. Well done, sir.
    In your original quote he made bold the POS (POS) part so I think he was talking about your observation that the other guns were POS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyB62 View Post
    In your original quote he made bold the POS (POS) part so I think he was talking about your observation that the other guns were POS.
    It sounded like a snide remark regarding the fact that my rifle broke.

    Frankly the other guns are POS. It happens to be that people around these parts that I've seen don't tend to put any sort of money into their guns, or they do so by buying useless junk. You know, the kind of stuff you see at gun shows: Chinese crap and airsoft parts.

    I've seen people work ARs by racking the charging handle every shot because their gun doesn't cycle, people who build slings out of stuff they got at home depot (ever seen a quick detach sling apparently built using parts from a dog leash?), and a guy who didn't understand why his $50 red dot kept falling off his gun--after all, he ended up supergluing the mount to the rails and superglue works just fine on metal, right?

    A lot of the guns that come into the ranges around here are junk. Fact. The observation served to point out that a lot of shit seems to break and people have to get it fixed somewhere because they certainly don't have the money to throw at another bargain-bin Taurus or Hi-Point every 6 months. It also served to point out that there's not a lot of money in guns around here. Maybe those two observations would give folks an idea of the lay of the land so that they could intelligently respond.

    I don't see how remarking about how I observed that a lot of guns I see are junk is interesting--unless it was a facetious remark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Complication View Post
    3) Grant (C4IGrant) and Sgt. Watson of the Tuscarawas county Sheriff's Dept. At the latest Defensive Carbine 101 Ben said, "You guys wanna see something gay?" ready to share some of the queer-ass range commands/call-outs he was forced to do at training session the other week (and holy shit it was gayer than a unicorn wearing spandex on roller skates). Immediately after he said that Grant chimes in from behind me: "Oh, I love gay things!" He had been giving me a hard time earlier (in jest) so I told him I was making it my new sig. And I did.


    Me give someone a hard time?? Doubtful.


    Gunsmith's and AR. The two do not meet (commonly). The old school gunsmiths are a disapearing group. Why? The interest in having bolt gun, shotgun or whatever work done is dwindling. Couple that with the fact that gunsmiths are generally not changing with the times (for whatever reasons).

    Building AR's isn't hard. Knowing where to get quality parts and how to install them properly is.

    People often times get a little knowledge off the errornet or a buddy. This little bit of knowledge gets them in trouble as they feel they konw what they are doing.

    VERY FEW FFL's stock any parts for the AR. Even fewer know anything about installing them. Remember this the next time you go to your local "gunsmith/FFL" for parts/help with your AR.





    C4
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    VERY FEW FFL's stock any parts for the AR's. Even fewer know anything about installing them. Remember this the next time you go to your local "gunsmith/FFL" for parts/help with your AR.
    I was going to go to this place a little ways south of me called G&R something-or-other but I have it on good authority that he doesn't know an AR from an SKS.

    While you're busy not giving anyone a hard time: out of curiosity, what's the C4I mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Complication View Post
    I was going to go to this place a little ways south of me called G&R something-or-other but I have it on good authority that he doesn't know an AR from an SKS.

    While you're busy not giving anyone a hard time: out of curiosity, what's the C4I mean?
    Don't go there. Their village is looking for them.

    C4I stands for Command, Control, Computers, Communication and Intelligence. It is what I did in my past life.


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    Last time I showed-up at Grants, he had his busiest shop day of the year not including the stuff I bought!
    My brother saw Deliverance and bought a Bow. I saw Deliverance and bought an AR-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Complication View Post
    It sounded like a snide remark regarding the fact that my rifle broke.

    Frankly the other guns are POS. It happens to be that people around these parts that I've seen don't tend to put any sort of money into their guns, or they do so by buying useless junk. You know, the kind of stuff you see at gun shows: Chinese crap and airsoft parts.

    I've seen people work ARs by racking the charging handle every shot because their gun doesn't cycle, people who build slings out of stuff they got at home depot (ever seen a quick detach sling apparently built using parts from a dog leash?), and a guy who didn't understand why his $50 red dot kept falling off his gun--after all, he ended up supergluing the mount to the rails and superglue works just fine on metal, right?

    A lot of the guns that come into the ranges around here are junk. Fact. The observation served to point out that a lot of shit seems to break and people have to get it fixed somewhere because they certainly don't have the money to throw at another bargain-bin Taurus or Hi-Point every 6 months. It also served to point out that there's not a lot of money in guns around here. Maybe those two observations would give folks an idea of the lay of the land so that they could intelligently respond.

    I don't see how remarking about how I observed that a lot of guns I see are junk is interesting--unless it was a facetious remark.
    No offense was offered. I trust none was taken.

    I simply found your comment interesting for the mere fact of my own personal standard(s) when observing others, which is relative to everything in life, as was taught to my adult children and is to my grandson. I am blessed with the ability to afford my family and myself with the essential daily needs and beyond. As such, I do understand and fully appreciate and attempt to be aware others' situations in life.

    In a different light, but same context . . . Not everyone can afford a fine European sedan. However, a used, hard driven, mechanically challenged vehicle is no better or lesser than my vehicle . . . And I am in no position to judge otherwise.

    I comprehend, "Crap in, crap out", for the lack of a better term, like most people on God's green earth. Yet, one families' leftovers is another families' feast.

    Perhaps, the said may or may not shed some light for my previous comment. If not, I offer no apologies . . . For any perceived ill intentions on my part towards you are merely perceived on your part . . . And for you to settle/resolve on your time.

    My apologies to the rest of the community for any inappropriate conduct.

    - Andy (S.F. Bay Area)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erratikmind View Post
    No offense was offered. I trust none was taken.

    I simply found your comment interesting for the mere fact of my own personal standard(s) when observing others, which is relative to everything in life, as was taught to my adult children and is to my grandson. I am blessed with the ability to afford my family and myself with the essential daily needs and beyond. As such, I do understand and fully appreciate and attempt to be aware others' situations in life.

    In a different light, but same context . . . Not everyone can afford a fine European sedan. However, a used, hard driven, mechanically challenged vehicle is no better or lesser than my vehicle . . . And I am in no position to judge otherwise.

    I comprehend, "Crap in, crap out", for the lack of a better term, like most people on God's green earth. Yet, one families' leftovers is another families' feast.

    Perhaps, the said may or may not shed some light for my previous comment. If not, I offer no apologies . . . For any perceived ill intentions on my part towards you are merely perceived on your part . . . And for you to settle/resolve on your time.

    My apologies to the rest of the community for any inappropriate conduct.

    - Andy (S.F. Bay Area)
    I just wasted 20 minutes of my life trying to figure out how this conversation went down hill. On this forum people focus on quality first and foremost. Calling something crap is 100% justified when this tool is meant to defend your family. I bought a POS before I knew better. Thanks to the good folks here, I have seen the error of my ignorant way. Some people may have a hard time affording a top tier rifle. Honestly, they should keep saving until it is possible. I am dropping another 600 dollars to bring my gun up to par and get it battle ready. If I would have spent another 100 dollars in the start I would already be there. This is not the place for a tear jerk love fest for those less fortunate. Those hippy ideals are what give the rest of us californians a bad name. Poke around here long enough and you too can learn the way. This place is awesome. Relax and enjoy
    "Oh, its a wonderful day! My sun is shining, my birds are chirping, my humongous chicken defeated Elmo." Huxley

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