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Thread: Is the DEA still buying Rock River carbines?

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    I believe that if you read through Pat Rogers' AARs for his classes you'll find several instances of DEA and other feds issued RRAs that experienced problems in the training environment.

    Much hay has been made by RRA owners about these contracts without any apparent understanding as to how government contracts are awarded or follow up on how the rifles actually perform once issued.

    Sidebar on the REPR:
    IIRC there was some big dustup on LF re: the magazine compatibility and it does not use the KAC pattern and therefore does not use the Magpul .308 mags. Someone that still has access over there can check. There are some staunch LWRCi supporters/owners there and the whole thing turned pretty ugly. I've only ever seen one REPR and AFAIK it ran for the short period it was asked to in that setting but no idea as to what mags the owner used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Sidebar on the REPR:
    IIRC there was some big dustup on LF re: the magazine compatibility and it does not use the KAC pattern and therefore does not use the Magpul .308 mags. Someone that still has access over there can check. There are some staunch LWRCi supporters/owners there and the whole thing turned pretty ugly. I've only ever seen one REPR and AFAIK it ran for the short period it was asked to in that setting but no idea as to what mags the owner used.
    This looks like the thread: http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a.../228102865/p/1

    Very ugly thread...
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    My understanding that the REPR reliability problems have been fixed since March/April timeframe when the magazine catch replacement came out.

    As for the RRAs, I believe the DEA learned their lesson the hard way and began to move away from this carbine over a year ago. My understanding that they have largely been replaced by LWRCI (personal purchase) and Colts from other Federal LE contracts.
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    from what i remember, RRA was only awarded a portion of the DEA contract like 25% with the remaining 75% being divided equally between Colt and SigArms...

    ETA: LINK
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellbound View Post
    from what i remember, RRA was only awarded a portion of the DEA contract like 25% with the remaining 75% being divided equally between Colt and SigArms...

    ETA: LINK
    Thanks for the link. I did not see any of the Sig rifles in DEA hands last Summer when I was in Kabul. There were a lot of Colts at the low ready and Springfield PRO's in Safariland thigh holsters...
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    i just spent four days last week with the Lead FI for the NY field div. of the DEA they are still using and buying RRA for CONUS operations. he reports no issues, he did state that they log every round thru the carbines to keep round counts on them. when issues pop up they are returned to RRA for service. the LWRC are being used for OCONUS ops. with a few being fielded CONUS. hope this helps.
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    My buddy, a DEA agent, told me his qual was a RRA, and hasn't had issues, yet.

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    LWRC has a DEA version for sale to everyone.

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    I have a question;

    Is the DEA actually buying LWRC guns themselves or is this just LWRC giving huge discounts and/or free guns to the OCONUS team for the publicity? Has anyone seen a contract or purchase order?

    Last time I checked LWRC rifles had only been approved for individual purchase. Meaning the agency was not buying any of them themselves, nor did they intend on doing so. They were only allowing individuals to use their own money to buy one. I would bet at a huge discount. There is a big difference between actually winning a contract and merely hooking up a very small group for publicity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Yes. There were many reports that agents in the field did not like the RRA carbines.

    The DEA team that was working with the SF team where I was in A'stan was using LWRC stuff. They had some serious reservations about the REPR that one of the guys was using. Several issues with the magazine/feeding.

    The 5.56 guns were pretty decent- according to them.
    Not liking is hardly quantifiable evidence that something is junk. I don't like Glocks but they certainly aren't junk. Could you expand upon why they didn't like these weapons or had reservations about them?? I'm a noob obviously and defer to your wisdom / experience.

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