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Thread: Is the DEA still buying Rock River carbines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Gribble View Post
    Not liking is hardly quantifiable evidence that something is junk. I don't like Glocks but they certainly aren't junk. Could you expand upon why they didn't like these weapons or had reservations about them?? I'm a noob obviously and defer to your wisdom / experience.
    You will quickly find that an objective discussion of LWRC products is impossible on M4Carbine.net.

    LWRC goofed the mag design/compatibility with the early REPRs. They originally designed the mag well and catch around a CP mag that was SR-25 'compatible' (should have used the actual KAC mag). They released the REPR to the public in the fall last year about the same time that CP changed the design of their mag and just before Magpul came out with the Pmag 20LR. Turns out the mag well and mag catch weren't compatible with the new CP mags, KAC mags, or Magpul mags so it caused lots of head aches. Most if not all of the DEA REPRs and early civilian guns had reliability problems because of this.

    LWRC came up with a fix for the guns that were already out, and revised the design of the REPR to work with the newer mags, especially the Pmag. All REPRs now ship with Pmags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlockWRX View Post
    You will quickly find that an objective discussion of LWRC products is impossible on M4Carbine.net.

    LWRC goofed the mag design/compatibility with the early REPRs. They originally designed the mag well and catch around a CP mag that was SR-25 'compatible' (should have used the actual KAC mag). They released the REPR to the public in the fall last year about the same time that CP changed the design of their mag and just before Magpul came out with the Pmag 20LR. Turns out the mag well and mag catch weren't compatible with the new CP mags, KAC mags, or Magpul mags so it caused lots of head aches. Most if not all of the DEA REPRs and early civilian guns had reliability problems because of this.

    LWRC came up with a fix for the guns that were already out, and revised the design of the REPR to work with the newer mags, especially the Pmag. All REPRs now ship with Pmags.
    Good Lawd. Just reading that has potential to cause a headache, let alone actually having to been one of the people who had to deal with the problem. When I saw the big names on the forum dissing it I should have known better than to even ask for an explanation.

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    [QUOTE=VA_Dinger;730762]I have a question;

    Is the DEA actually buying LWRC guns themselves or is this just LWRC giving huge discounts and/or free guns to the OCONUS team for the publicity? Has anyone seen a contract or purchase order?

    Dinger
    my source didn't state if they were purchased by the agency or if they were agent purchased, he just stated they have them over seas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickdrak View Post
    Yes. My department purchased (25) RRA 16" middy carbines for our gang unit directly from RRA. Out of the (25) rifles delivered, (10) of them were non-functional due to a bad batch of FCG's.

    Out of ALL of the major commercial market AR manufacturers, I have personally seen more issues relating directly to poor QC with RRA than any other manufacturer. Un-staked/un-secured bolt carrier keys that were rattle-trap loose straight out of the box. Their liberal use of red lock-tite on just about every part on the AR platform you can think of that should not have it applied to it. Their Dremel-tool "extended feed-ramp" jobs that look like they were done by a chimp. (Seriously, WTF is the purpose of them Dremel-ing feed-ramps into a standard rifle upper receiver???) I recently came across one of the PD rifles we bought that had a Vortex FH that would not come off after being soaked in Kroil for two days, heated up with a torch, and had 80ft/lbs of torque applied to it to try to remove it.

    That's about all that I have personally seen....

    ETA: I have no personal negative experience relating to LWRCi products.
    I have little direct experience with Rock River products and none with LWRC. That being said, I offer this as a side note. I watched on television, (I believe the show was called GI Factory) a tour of FN, one of the re-occurring themes was the employees regard for the end users of the product. In one instance a father had been part of the production of a 240B? in which his son eventually was issued, apparently verified by serial number. I don't believe everything I see on TV, but thats beside the point. Point being, someday, somewhere, someone has to rely on an issued weapon.

    Looking past 4140 barrel steel,ect. you'd think RRA could have took the best and brightest and learned to stake a bolt carrier before they sold gov't agencies a non-recreational gun.

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    This was just a few months ago so apparently he didn't get his fixed. Their issue wasn't with a catch coming out, it was with the feeding.

    Quote Originally Posted by lanesmith View Post
    My understanding that the REPR reliability problems have been fixed since March/April timeframe when the magazine catch replacement came out.

    As for the RRAs, I believe the DEA learned their lesson the hard way and began to move away from this carbine over a year ago. My understanding that they have largely been replaced by LWRCI (personal purchase) and Colts from other Federal LE contracts.



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    Paul,

    According to what I was told, the DEA was paying for them. However, they were also told that when they return from their OCONUS ops they were to box the weapons up and send them to LWRC so they can "examine and repair" any issues.

    When I asked if they are given any feedback as to what issues had been found, they said not at their level.

    Quote Originally Posted by VA_Dinger View Post
    I have a question;

    Is the DEA actually buying LWRC guns themselves or is this just LWRC giving huge discounts and/or free guns to the OCONUS team for the publicity? Has anyone seen a contract or purchase order?

    Last time I checked LWRC rifles had only been approved for individual purchase. Meaning the agency was not buying any of them themselves, nor did they intend on doing so. They were only allowing individuals to use their own money to buy one. I would bet at a huge discount. There is a big difference between actually winning a contract and merely hooking up a very small group for publicity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    This was just a few months ago so apparently he didn't get his fixed. Their issue wasn't with a catch coming out, it was with the feeding.
    The issue with the magazine compatibility caused feeding issues. The mags were not sitting at a proper/consistent angle to allow feeding into the chamber. The fix for an existing gun was a revised magazine catch that would hold the mag in the proper position. LWRC will make the modification free of charge.

    Guns made in the spring and on have revised mag wells that put the mag in the correct position.

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    Sweet. I know nothing about it other than what they told me.

    Quote Originally Posted by GlockWRX View Post
    The issue with the magazine compatibility caused feeding issues. The mags were not sitting at a proper/consistent angle to allow feeding into the chamber. The fix for an existing gun was a revised magazine catch that would hold the mag in the proper position. LWRC will make the modification free of charge.

    Guns made in the spring and on have revised mag wells that put the mag in the correct position.



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    Quote Originally Posted by variablebinary View Post
    Not sure, but I recall reading somewhere that RRA won some deal with ICE
    Nope, ICE has purchase only Colt M-4's with three round burst since they transitioned from the AUG/MP-5. The M-4's ICE purchased come with everything the Army issues such as Matech sights and KAC Rails. The only different than the Army is they added a Eotech 552

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    Quote Originally Posted by veeklog View Post
    Nope, ICE has purchase only Colt M-4's with three round burst since they transitioned from the AUG/MP-5. The M-4's ICE purchased come with everything the Army issues such as Matech sights and KAC Rails. The only different than the Army is they added a Eotech 552
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