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    Being a member of this forum, I wonder if Belmont's choice of firearms was more the rationale than then number. A bunch of O/U's and bolt actions might not have peaked their interest, but ARs and other EBR type stuff might have raised a flag?

    Just a thought, not a rationale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCPatrolAR View Post
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    Try not to read into every little thing said. You're blowing somethings way out perportion
    No he isn't. Federal agents coming to see you, with a dossier on you and your property and demanding to see it, along with thinly veiled threats, is not acceptable. If you have the goods on somebody, go get a warrant. This sort of thing is nothing more than a harassing fishing expedition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCPatrolAR View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with them talking to you about bills of sale, getting an OL #, etc. If nothing else they are telling you how to get them out of your hair quicker in the event a trace brings them to your place.

    If I did FTF sales, it's a practice I'd be doing
    Ok. Do you see any problem with closing the door and NOT talking to them?

    Unless a gun I owned at some point was involved in a crime, and they provide me with satisfactory proof of that or a subpoena/order to produce it, they are not getting anything other than deafening silence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAN View Post
    I don't like their methods, and I think it's scary that they come to you in an adversarial way, if you aren't really the subject. Or even if you are the subject, they have a reasonable idea that paperwork anomalies are not going to lead to anything.

    In their mind, this is routine work, and probably view that visit as the least adversarial method they have at their disposal. Even if you and I view it 180º oppositely from the agents.
    Their methods (unannounced visits at home with scare tactics) are at least half the reason why I have a policy of non-cooperation. If you plot and plan and pounce on me at home and try to intimidate, it will backfire horribly at least in my case. What you will get is a closed door and silence, and an even poorer view of your agency.

    Maybe these tactics work on 90% of sheep out there, but they piss me off.

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    See guys closing the door in the face, and having a "come back with a warrant" door mat might seem like the manly thing to do you are still one man against the entire Federal government. I really hate to say it but sometimes its more practical to just show them what they want to see, and be done with it. Im not rich, and can't throw money at lawyers left and right. We were already investigated by CPS in 2008 after one of ours kids unbuckled himself from his high chair, and feel onto our kitchen floor. Not only did we have to deal with CPS coming to our home to accuse of us child abuse but we had several thousand dollars in medical bills to pay even after our 500/mo insurance took care of their part. Ive really grown to abhore government intervention for "doing good" but WTF is someone like me supposed to do? NONE of us have the money to take on the government by ourselves. If they really want you in jail they will find a way to do so. There are so many laws on the books each one of us is committing a crime doing normal everyday things only an "idiot" would think would land you in jail. If I had to face some overly bored ATF agent looking for a prosecution to add to his resume it would bankrupt me. Up until a year and a half ago I was poor E4 trying to feed his family, and work hasn't come easy since then. So for those of you who keep a lawyer on speed dial and would slam the door on their faces you don't really know what you could be up against if one of them got a wild hair up their ass. Its happened to plenty of good men, and if it means I have to swallow my true feelings for 30 minutes to end the situation then so be it. I have a 23 year old wife, and twin 4 year old boys I have to keep fed and moving. If I were single with nothing to lose, and pocket full of money Id love to tell them to f-off. I disdain the ATF but damn there is no single "David" out there who can slay this "Goliath" on his own.

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    Belmont, looks like (like you suspected or heard) you've become a target of Project Gunrunner.

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/programs/project-gunrunner/

    By the way, what area of Texas are you in?
    Last edited by kry226; 08-12-10 at 21:45.
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    Found this gold nugget. http://www.atf.gov/field/houston/

    Since Houston is the number one origination point of firearms recovered in crimes in Mexico, firearms trafficking is an investigative priority. Recently we detailed 100 agents, investigators and support staff for 120 days to Houston and the border with Mexico to combat firearms trafficking. The initiative, called Gunrunner Impact Teams (GRIT) was very successful resulting in hundreds of criminal investigations and over 1000 firearms dealer inspections.
    Success=Many Investigations

    I suppose I'm successful at picking up girls at bars...I've tried a bunch(though no mention of my attempt/scoring ratio will make the internet.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kry226 View Post
    Belmont, looks like (like you suspected or heard) you've become a target of Project Gunrunner.

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/programs/project-gunrunner/

    By the way, what area of Texas are you in?


    I am outside of Austin in Williamson County.

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    Belmont, I honestly don't think you did anything wrong at all. I think you did what the vast majority of guys on here would do if they opened the door to a couple of badges first thing in the AM...

    Its easy to talk tough and say chuck you farley, but when the event happens in real time and you have nothing to hide, I don't think you're any different from most of us on here. If they became antagonistic or unprofessional and made allegations, then I am sure your attitude would have changed.

    You have to do what's best for you and your family. Period, and if somebody judges your actions thats their problem.

    I think what most find scary is what occurred, not how you handled it. After reflecting on some of JW's and BC's posts it certainly doesn't give you warm fuzzies when you think about it over time....

    Its easy to sit behind a screen and Monday morning it without having gone through the experience first hand...

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    I would have asked for legal counsel and if told I'm not under arrest they can bugger off.

    I'm sorry but they have zero ground for coming to your house and making accusations, and that's just what they did.

    Like it or not they treated you as the bad guy no matter how friendly they seemed (you get more bees with honey than vinegar), they wouldn't have the work up if they believed you to be innocent of any crimes.
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