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    Belmont, I'm glad you posted this. And by account, you handled this encounter well and professionally.

    It is a little more infuriating and terrifying all at once to know that:

    1.) Belmont realizes (as most of us do) that it is way easier to just cooperate, than stand up for any infringement of any rights that this incident illustrates. His explanation of not having the resources to not IMMEDIATELY cooperate is one of the most terrifying realizations that was illustrated here. This is a huge red flag - this shows that something is already terribly (perhaps irrevocably) wrong with the relationship between this Republic's citizens and the government.

    2.) this experience shows (once again) that there is in fact already a de-facto gun registry in the US. It is in place and exceptionally easy for a federal agency to access. Nice end run around the intent of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heartland Hawk View Post
    2.) this experience shows (once again) that there is in fact already a de-facto gun registry in the US. It is in place and exceptionally easy for a federal agency to access. Nice end run around the intent of the law.
    GCA of 68 being step removed registration has been a common complaint for a long time, even pointed out in various pop culture references. Remember the scene in Red Dawn where the Cuban commander tells an underling to go to the sporting goods stores and pick up the 4473s?
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    All this over 20 guns? Damn - I've, oh wait...nevermind.

    Belmont, I'm not blaming you for cooperating with the agents, I'd probably grit my teeth and do the same in that situation.

    But, you do realize that when the nice men from the alphabet agency were chatting up your wife on the porch they were on a major fishing expedition? This is a common interrogation tactic - and a highly successful one at that. Better to have them sit there in uncomfortable silence or limit the conversation to the weather than volunteer information that may give them probable cause for a warrant.

    The letter to your representatives is a wonderful idea. That is, what they're there for, after all. Maybe if enough complaint letters reach them, programs antagonizing law-abiding citizens will cease. Maybe follow up with a phone call or two to make sure they got the letter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    The lead guy had a 1/2" binder just for me, and everything separated by tabs. So yeah they sure do their homework...


    I think they are told/trained to tell people there is no database but obviously they have access to lots of information.
    And one of those tabs contained every post/thread/response that you have submitted viewed, or subscribed to on M4Carbine.net and every other internet forum of this nature you have viewed since the first time you said "guns are neat" online. He just didn't show that tab to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbrowne1 View Post

    I don't think less of people who do talk to LE in situations like this one - I just don't think it's a good idea for the individual in most cases, and I don't think it's a good idea for society in general to reward these "in your face" tactics by cooperating.
    Agreed 100% on this!

    I understand the stress as well, but these are our rights we are protecting, and yes it is stressful when the state attempts to take them away, but we are the only people capable of insisting that they are ours! Every word of the Constitution, and every Amendment are ours, and no person know matter how high and mighty they may feel in their new tighy wighties has a right to challenge that.
    Mobocracy is alive and well in America.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac5.56 View Post
    And one of those tabs contained every post/thread/response that you have submitted viewed, or subscribed to on M4Carbine.net and every other internet forum of this nature you have viewed since the first time you said "guns are neat" online. He just didn't show that tab to you.
    Tinfoil hat much?
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    "Don't talk to them, don't give them a reason to talk to you."

    Some of the best advice ever offered on M4C. Be courteous and professional if you ever do have to show your Form 1/4. I think most LEOs on here would not agree to a search of their vehicle or car without a search warrant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyDuty View Post
    Tinfoil hat much?
    No doubt!

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    Originally Posted by khc3 View Post
    I think the only people who aren't at least a little nervous when talking to the cops are sociopaths.
    Type "police planted evidence" into Google and see what comes up.

    The fact is that any encounter with law enforcement has the potential to go bad, especially if they already suspect you of something (such as gun running), even if their suspicion is unfounded. "The truth always wins out" only works in Disney movies. This is real life.

    I do not intend to bash cops here, but there are no deaf mutes in prison. Hint, hint, hint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500grains View Post
    I do not intend to bash cops here, but there are no deaf mutes in prison. Hint, hint, hint.

    So as long as someone can't hear or speak clearly they are immune from prosecution? Astounding.


    That's almost as silly as Mac's comment above about every single firearm forum post of Belmont's being part of a file. Come on, fellas.
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