Analyze my shooting...

[ColdDeadHands]

**I hope this is in the right Forum...

Yes I know it sucks!
Ok, so I borrowed my buddies HK45 today to do a little comparison to my G21SF. In the pic below are the targets...anybody in the know please tell me why I can't group decently and what I need to do to correct it. Obviously the group (if you can call it that) of 20 rounds for each gun is tighter with the HK45. I think big part of it is this ****ing humidity here...I can't stand it! It seems like the first 3 or so bullets fly into the bulls eye or close to it then it goes downhill from there.

[M4Fundi]

Can you shoot tighter groups with another gun? Just curious if it is a fundamentals thing or you need more time on those particualr guns...

[uwe1]

What distance are you shooting at?

[ColdDeadHands]

Can you shoot tighter groups with another gun? Just curious if it is a fundamentals thing or you need more time on those particualr guns...

I shoot my Baer TRS a little better, especially at further distance then 10 yards. The HK45 I've shot the first time today and only 20 rounds...no "warm-up" or anything.

[ColdDeadHands]

What distance are you shooting at?

I'd rather not tell








10 yards

[ColdDeadHands]

It seems weird to me that with the G21 most holes are in a fairly round circle but way spread out but with the HK 45 the group seems tighter but more to the left. Best consistent groups (about half the size of the HK45 group and centered) I've ever gotten was with a HK P30L. It was like 98 degrees and very humid today - maybe all the sweat running in my eyes makes me unconsciously hurry and get it over with. I've spent 2/3 of my young life in Germany and it seems like I just can't get used to this Houston climate.

[mark5pt56]

Remember that each and every shot requires strict adherance to the fundementals. Consistent shot to shot sight placement and trigger control is key. It doesn't take much to put you off that little bit. I've always liked the picture that HK sights provide.

With the HK, I would say that more than likely you are influencing the gun and pushing it left(presume you are a righty) Check your trigger finger placement and put a tad more on it. If it's not that, it's the sights-unlikely with the HK.


The Glock seems to be nothing more than lack of concentration with the sights/trigger, maybe a tad high front sight on a few.

Since we don't know what distance you shot at it's hard to say that you are in the accuracy threshold of the pistol/ammo combination. I will say this, both are capable of putting those shots inside a 3" circle at 25 yards. Also remember that I've done the 3" with a stock Glock but some days that circle needs to be quite a bit bigger-and some days I get closer

I would use a rest to test the sights and ammo, then you know if it's you or the gun. I like my Glocks but in the .45, I like the HK.

I just caught the 10 yards--I haven't had a G21 in 12 years-but I can say my USP will have them in the X at 10.

Mark

[ColdDeadHands]

Remember that each and every shot requires strict adherance to the fundementals. Consistent shot to shot sight placement and trigger control is key. It doesn't take much to put you off that little bit. I've always liked the picture that HK sights provide.

With the HK, I would say that more than likely you are influencing the gun and pushing it left(presume you are a righty) Check your trigger finger placement and put a tad more on it. If it's not that, it's the sights-unlikely with the HK.


The Glock seems to be nothing more than lack of concentration with the sights/trigger, maybe a tad high front sight on a few.

Since we don't know what distance you shot at it's hard to say that you are in the accuracy threshold of the pistol/ammo combination. I will say this, both are capable of putting those shots inside a 3" circle at 25 yards. Also remember that I've done the 3" with a stock Glock but some days that circle needs to be quite a bit bigger-and some days I get closer

I would use a rest to test the sights and ammo, then you know if it's you or the gun. I like my Glocks but in the .45, I like the HK.

I just caught the 10 yards--I haven't had a G21 in 12 years-but I can say my USP will have them in the X at 10.

Mark

Thanks for the pointers. I've noticed that when I do dry fire practice with the glock the front sight always rises up a bit right when the trigger breaks.

[Surf]

Concentrate with a hard focus on your front sight. Clear front sight, blurry rear sight, blurry target. Do not look up at the target between shots, maintain your follow through. Most high shots are a result of a shooter wanting to see a hole appear in the target. So as the trigger gets pressed, they begin to look upward at the moment the shot breaks to see the hole appear. Raising the eyes and head slightly, raises the muzzle. By not looking at the target until the string of fire is over, will help this. You should concentrate on watching or tracking the front sight throughout the entire recoil phase until it settles for you to break another shot. The biggest goal is not to disrupt proper sight alignment / sight picture as you press the trigger to the rear.

It is hard to analyze your shooting by a target only. If you had some video it would help.

[NCSt8man1999]

Concentrate with a hard focus on your front sight. Clear front sight, blurry rear sight, blurry target. Do not look up at the target between shots, maintain your follow through. Most high shots are a result of a shooter wanting to see a hole appear in the target. So as the trigger gets pressed, they begin to look upward at the moment the shot breaks to see the hole appear. Raising the eyes and head slightly, raises the muzzle. By not looking at the target until the string of fire is over, will help this. You should concentrate on watching or tracking the front sight throughout the entire recoil phase until it settles for you to break another shot. The biggest goal is not to disrupt proper sight alignment / sight picture as you press the trigger to the rear.

It is hard to analyze your shooting by a target only. If you had some video it would help.

This is good info and good advice. When you fail to focus on the front sight, you cannot truly have a correct sight picture. The result is a centered, but spread out shot group like you have with the Glock. Smooth, steady press on the trigger, straight to the rear. On the HK, looks like you are putting some sideways pressure on the trigger as you press (assuming you are right handed). To tighten your groups, slow down. Build accuracy, then speed. True accuracy is shown when you can shoot good groups with a pistol at 25 yards. That is the true test.