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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile-eyez View Post
    ..... but if I were to purchase a complete Noveske rifle..... is the Geissele trigger upgrade worth the money? Does anyone know about how comfortable the Vltor monolithic uppers are to handle, like about how slim they are? I'd really have no need for a switchblock...
    I have a Noveske Light Recce Basic w/VIS (I prefer the FSB rather than LoPro front sight). The VIS upper is a little wider side-to-side and a little narrower top-to-bottom than the DD Lite 9.0 that I just bought for the Noveske-based SBR I'm building. It's a very nice looking upper and very rigid. Worth the money? I don't know, money wasn't an issue with that purchase, but I like it a lot and certainly would do it again.

    The Geissele SSA trigger is a GREAT trigger and I did buy it as an upgrade when I ordered the rifle. Bear in mind, however, that the upgrade is $155, and you can buy it separately from BravoCompany for $170. If you do that and swap it out, you'll have a complete extra FCG for $15.

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    I have a Spikes Tactical Lower and an LMT upper (16", 1/7 twist, chrome lined). I am very pleased with the upper, but I think for my next build, I will do a BCM lightweight build. BCM is right up there with LMT, Noveske, etc., and they are really affordable.

    As far as assembly, if you don't want to buy a complete rifle, the lower you buy isn't too important. Find something cheap, as long as you know it is mil-spec and forged (I prefer forged vs. billet, but thats another discussion ). I got my spikes tactical lower for $80 stripped, a parts kit for $60, and some magpul gear and was good to go! Invest the money in a high quality upper + optics...
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    I highly recommend that you reconsider the whole 14.5" pinned thing. Especially with a Noveske barrel. Just get a 16".

    I would also recommend against the Geiselle trigger unless you are performing some type of SDM/DMR role. A standard trigger is more than adequate for a combat rifle.

    BCM does make super quality stuff and I wouldn't rule them out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile-eyez View Post
    Thanks for the input on the stainless steel barrels. I'm leaning more toward the M249 steel light profile now. This will probably be my only ar-15 for a while.... so I'd like to get top quality, durability, and accuracy right off the bat.

    The Bravo Company USA rifles are interesting... I'll definately look closer into them..... but if I were to purchase a complete Noveske rifle..... is the Geissele trigger upgrade worth the money? Does anyone know about how comfortable the Vltor monolithic uppers are to handle, like about how slim they are? I'd really have no need for a switchblock...

    Side note.... kind of unrelated...... but would the pinned and welded flash hider on their 14.5" models exempt the rifle from the SBR classification?



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    i would not recomend against the Geissele SSA. If you can aford it get it. if not. the stock is fine but Geissele is perfact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I highly recommend that you reconsider the whole 14.5" pinned thing. Especially with a Noveske barrel. Just get a 16".

    I would also recommend against the Geiselle trigger unless you are performing some type of SDM/DMR role. A standard trigger is more than adequate for a combat rifle.
    "More than adequate" isn't necessarily the same thing as "optimal". I'd be curious to know you reason for recommending against an SSA.

    I'm also interested in your reasoning for recommending against a 14.5/pinned FH, unless it's only because of the possibility he might change his mind and want to go to a compensator or suppressor on that barrel someday.

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    with a 16" barrel you get 100 more fps and w/ fh you have a 17.5" barrel. Its realy just for looks. There both good to 600m. I prefer the 14.5"

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    I don't think that the cost is worth it, unless you are going to be using it in such a role. That's my opinion.

    yes, because he may change his mind and also because most people cannot really differentiate between a 14.5" or a 16".

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    "More than adequate" isn't necessarily the same thing as "optimal". I'd be curious to know you reason for recommending against an SSA.

    I'm also interested in your reasoning for recommending against a 14.5/pinned FH, unless it's only because of the possibility he might change his mind and want to go to a compensator or suppressor on that barrel someday.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I don't think that the cost is worth it, unless you are going to be using it in such a role. That's my opinion.
    I think the Geissele SSA is a great trigger and noticeably better than the stock trigger in the Stag or RRA LPKs. I do think it's a reasonable aftermarket purchase and in a reasonable ballpark price-wise compared to some of the other aftermarket stuff we put on our rifles.

    Having said that, and since it makes more sense to buy the Geissele from Bravo aftermarket rather than purchase it from Noveske as an upgrade, I agree that on his first AR rifle it probably makes more sense to just go with the stock trigger, shoot it for awhile, and upgrade later if desired.

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    The stock trigger is less money an said to be more robust.
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    I am not knocking the Geissele. My point being that myself (and others) can shoot good with stock triggers. My Noveske 16.1" Recon is topped with a Leupold 2.5x8 MR/T and using Prvi Partizan match ammo I shooting 1 MOA using a stock trigger.

    Since I am not using it for SMD/DMR work I think that is more than acceptable. If I was using it for precision then I would surely purchase a Geissele. I think that the OP would be better served in using that money for ammo, mags, sling, light, etc... first. YMMV.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    I think the Geissele SSA is a great trigger and noticeably better than the stock trigger in the Stag or RRA LPKs. I do think it's a reasonable aftermarket purchase and in a reasonable ballpark price-wise compared to some of the other aftermarket stuff we put on our rifles.

    Having said that, and since it makes more sense to buy the Geissele from Bravo aftermarket rather than purchase it from Noveske as an upgrade, I agree that on his first AR rifle it probably makes more sense to just go with the stock trigger, shoot it for awhile, and upgrade later if desired.



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