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    Does the ACOG take much practice to get good with?

    What ACOG are you using? TA31?

    Aimpoint M4S on an 11.5'' is super fast.
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    ACOG's just require you to know the range (as long as your Ammo and barrel length work with the reticle).

    If not you need to know range and what your ammo/gun combo do in relationship to the reticle.

    I had a Short Dot on my M4A1 with LMT 10.5" for a bit in Afghan, it worked but the shorty was not optimal for that AO.
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    Nice pic, Kevin.

    Would you say an ACOG setup would be good to go? (At CQB range. I have no problem at distance at all.) I could try to get good with it. It'll just take practice. Or would a variable optic be really worth it?
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    I am of the opinion that its not worthwhile for either on a CQBR.

    While you can use them at range they are NOT ideal. Yes it is possible to get kills at 400m with a Mk18 style gun - but longer guns are better for that stuff.

    The ACOG is usable, and if you have time and inclination on the KD you can get decent drop info for your combo that you can use the ACOG reticle for longer work.

    I still think the T1 is the best option on short guns.
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    my question is this. i am cross eye'd dominant, so i had to trade my aimpoint compM3 for an EOTech for the eye relief in cqb. What kind of eye relief does the acog or elcan have for cqb situations?

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    There is nothing at all wrong about sticking a bipod and magnified optic on a little gun to practice precision marksmanship or see how precise your barrel/ammo combination really is.
    However, I would not keep them permanently stuck to the gun, instead I would set the gun up to perform superbly in the conditions that I will need to use it to defend lives, and with a shorty what that comes down to is a quality 1x optic, quality proven magazines, a durable dependable mounted light, and the skill to efficiently and effectively use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    There is nothing at all wrong about sticking a bipod and magnified optic on a little gun to practice precision marksmanship or see how precise your barrel/ammo combination really is.
    However, I would not keep them permanently stuck to the gun, instead I would set the gun up to perform superbly in the conditions that I will need to use it to defend lives, and with a shorty what that comes down to is a quality 1x optic, quality proven magazines, a durable dependable mounted light, and the skill to efficiently and effectively use them.
    Amen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unforsakn View Post
    my question is this. i am cross eye'd dominant, so i had to trade my aimpoint compM3 for an EOTech for the eye relief in cqb. What kind of eye relief does the acog or elcan have for cqb situations?
    My TA01 has about an inch and a half of eye relief...I've heard that ACOGs usually have 2 inches, tops...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridge_Runner_5 View Post
    My TA01 has about an inch and a half of eye relief...I've heard that ACOGs usually have 2 inches, tops...
    so I am basically screwed.. EOTech's for life for me now.. at least there is one quality sight that will work for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unforsakn View Post
    so I am basically screwed.. EOTech's for life for me now.. at least there is one quality sight that will work for me
    Yes and no.
    The TA11 and TA33 have much better eye relief than the TA31 series.
    However, the only ACOGs I would stick on a gun built for close-range work are the 1.5x flavors.
    If magnification is something you think you want I would suggest a flip to side 3x magnifier behind a T1 or XPS/EXPS.
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