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    I have Wilson TTUs on both my lowers, after trying A Rock River, and 2 Springfield triggers. Since installing the Wilson units, one lower has about 300 rounds, and the other has about 1500 rounds with Noveske upper, and well over 3000 rounds with Spikes 22 rimfire upper, and I am completely satisfied with the Wilson units, both feel exactly the same, and have not changed from day one. If I should get another lower, the first thing I would do is put in another Wilson TTU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Surf, I'm interested in seeing the results of your video test but the 10+ minute runtime and the opening commentary are a little off-putting. Do you have a shorter vid that just shows the test, or can you tell us at what time mark the shooting happens and/or where the revelation occurs?
    Sorry Rob, my video's are like my posts. Long.

    I actually started shooting video's for my brother who lives in another state and his shooting group. Kinda like an online teaching thing. Since youtube I started shooting the vids a bit more generic so that some of the video's could be posted for public viewing. Most of these video's are not stuff I post publicly as I do not want my ugly mug on the internet. Which is why most of my vids on youtube are static.

    My brother and the target audience are architect / engineer / computer types, so they like quite a bit of the "how and why" behind the things in the video's. More advanced types like yourself will find them a bit drawn out.

    Anyway, ask and ye shall receive. This is a down and dirty. At least for my video productions.

    Short Version Stock Colt vs Geissele SSA

    Edit - 2:21 video. Shooting starts at around 40 sec mark.
    Last edited by Surf; 08-28-10 at 15:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucrt View Post
    Surf,
    Thanks for your video. I can't imagine being able to manipulate the trugeer that fast but maybe one day. I would think the SSA would be slower just because there is a longer OA pull, especially if you're used to shooting a single stage. It would be neat to see you shoot 10 10-round runs and see if your time gets better with the SSA.

    I have two SSA's that I've got about 1500 rounds on one and 500 rounds on the other. I've only shot my SSA equipped rifles the past 7-8 months but a friend asked me to shoot his new M&P 15 the other day with it's S&W stock trigger. I thought it was terrible. It just creeped and crept and felt gritty.

    He wanted to get an AR as cheap as he could and I suggested nothing less than the S&W. After I shot it I felt bad because of the trigger but told him to get 500-600 rounds through it and if it doesn't get better, we'll take a look at it.

    I guess it is what you get used to. I love my SSA's and have no desire for a lighter or crisper trigger. They both dropped in without a problem. The rifle that I have 1500 rounds on the SSA has not been cleaned (just lubed) in 1400 rounds. The SSA is very dirty but it has not bobbled and has been very consistent.

    From what I have experienced, I think the SSA is the happy medium from a stock "coarse" trigger and a match grade trigger.

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    I do have a few thousand rounds via this SSA so I am familiar with the pull variation but I must admit that I shoot far more from a stock single stage as opposed to a two stage even though I run mostly two stages in my SPR type rifles.

    I know some make the point of the trigger aiding in not just overall speed but in better speed and accuracy as say when distance increases. But for myself I get no advantage in my combat accuracy at any distance. Now if I am going for total precision with say an optic I do have an advantage with a two stage or match trigger especially when going to distances of 500+. But again I only realize the difference in a rifle that is capable of a smaller MOA anyway.

    I will also say that I am very fast with a stock trigger and this is not the norm for most shooters but that comes with countless hours / years and hundreds of thousands of rounds in training. Now I am not the fastest and don't claim to be, but I don't think that I can run any trigger faster than a .13-.14. I am pretty sure that I am limited by my own physical dexterity and not the mechanical trigger itself.

    However perhaps one of these days I will run several 10 shot strings on the SSA and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    ...I will also say that I am very fast with a stock trigger and this is not the norm for most shooters but that comes with countless hours / years and hundreds of thousands of rounds in training. ...
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    Surf, Thanks for the reply.

    Since you've shot so many rounds, have you noticed a stock trigger getting better after 500-600 rounds? I've read that is the "magic" number where they start to smooth out a little. Just really felt bad when I felt my buddy's new S&W trigger and I hope 400-500 rounds does help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Tried that. Total garbage IMHO. Gun started doubling almost immediately, trigger went in the trash.
    RE: B. Springfield triggers,

    I just put one in my AR-10 and had the exact same issue. Doubles from initial firing. Pulled it out and put the Armalite parts back in.

    This was the second chance I had given to B.Spring. triggers. The previous time the disconnector would not release, AT ALL. I very gently did some massaging of the disconnector and eventually got disconn. to release the hammer to the trigger.

    End of story, I'm not impressed at all.

    Side note, I really HAVE enjoyed the stock triggers from Daniels Defense. I know they're not aftermarket but what the hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsoncombatrep View Post
    Guys,
    Here is a link to a more "up to date" page for our TTU. We have been revising quite a bit on our website, and that old page is still there, but this will give you a bit more info and current pics...http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Tactical...ctinfo/TR-TTU/
    Thanks, I updated the link in the first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    Anyway, ask and ye shall receive. This is a down and dirty. At least for my video productions.

    Short Version Stock Colt vs Geissele SSA

    Edit - 2:21 video. Shooting starts at around 40 sec mark.
    Thanks man, I appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucrt View Post
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    Surf, Thanks for the reply.

    Since you've shot so many rounds, have you noticed a stock trigger getting better after 500-600 rounds? I've read that is the "magic" number where they start to smooth out a little. Just really felt bad when I felt my buddy's new S&W trigger and I hope 400-500 rounds does help.

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    Yes, any stock trigger will "smooth out", some more than others depending on how good the trigger was to begin with. So round count may vary.

    I have been known to speed up this process with my own trigger jobs in some custom builds that I do for myself or others, but that stock Colt trigger or any Colt trigger that I have shot does not get any additional help from me other than some grease on a few connecting surfaces. I WILL NOT alter a duty trigger. For any trigger assembly, I will I inspect the trigger / rifle, check for function and check the connecting surfaces for imperfections or how they mate with one another. I tend to grease some connective surfaces periodically and run from there.

    I know what Mr. Springfield offers in his trigger jobs as trigger jobs in general is not rocket science and often the concepts translate between weapon platforms. I work heavily on the maintenance / building side of things so I understand the benefit to draw backs of modifications. Again in my own trigger jobs, I tend to look into connective surfaces and usually do not do alterations to spring rates, spring legs, or spring swaps etc, unless if it is purely a "for fun" rifle.

    Again, there are ways to artificially induce or shorten that "break in" period of a trigger. I will not offer that as actual advice however.

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    Been running a Geissele SSA for a year and a half now. This was my first aftermarket trigger and prior to this i had about 13k rounds on standard milspec triggers, mostly LMT's.

    Ive put about 7k on the SSA and while i think its a SUPER nice trigger i dont think im a good enough shooter to notice the intricacies of its construction and performance.

    What i like about it is that it offers a lighter break and is very easy to manipulate at speed as i do not find myself short stroking the trigger. This could be the design of the trigger or it could be my familiarity, probably both.

    Ive spent a very short amount of time, ie less than 200 rounds on a Wilson TTU and while i DO think it was SUPER nice im not sure i would ever find myself running one. I short stroked it quite a bit and the reset while good just wasnt up to snuf as far as im concerned when it comes to an AR style reset. I personally prefer a click as loud as a gunshot, ala the milspec AR15 trigger.

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    I've been reading this thread off and on since it's creation, and have a couple of questions for those running aftermarket triggers in their duty/defensive type rifles. If this is too off topic, please say so and I'll create a new thread.

    I have an appreciation for a fine trigger, a la my 1911's. When I first was introduced to the AR platform, one of the first things I noticed was the trigger. I initially performed the "15 min trigger job" as I had read about on TOS (it was a long time ago OK?), but after reading of some issues with the cut springs, reliable ignition, etc I returned the rifle to stock configuration and haven't touched it again. I have often read that a match trigger doesn't belong in a combat weapon, but it seems as if more and more "in the know" shooters are running these types of triggers. So hear are my questions:

    Do any of these above listed triggers offer the kind of durability/reliability to be fielded in a duty/defensive rifle? Particularly the Geissele AR15 Super Semi-Automatic Trigger?

    What benefits does a trigger of this type, whether single or two stage offer over the factory trigger? Lighter pull weight, shorter take-up, less overtravel, crisper break, better reset, all of the above?

    Maybe I've just become accustomed to the factory triggers on my AR's and Glocks and don't notice the pulls as much as I used to, but my AR's don't seem to have excessive take-up, pull weight, or over travel, but if a SSA can give me a safe, reliable, and durable 1911-esque trigger, I'd like to give one a try.

    Thanks for any education you can impart!
    Last edited by RD62; 08-28-10 at 20:41.

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