America: Freedom to Fascism

[hatt]

I just watched this interesting documentary at Netflix.com. I was wondering if anyone else has seen it and what their thoughts on it are. It had tons of good points and much of it made a lot of sense but I'm pretty anti .gov. I would really love to hear from someone who hated it(or some of it) so we could debate individual points, and I would also like to hear from anyone who really does have the law that states regular people have to pay .fed income taxes as I have never researched it.

[tinman44]

i enjoyed it and referred it to friends. the end kinda gets wierd like its trying to hypnotize you with rhetoric but i agreed with most of it anyways.

[Rmplstlskn]

and I would also like to hear from anyone who really does have the law that states regular people have to pay .fed income taxes as I have never researched it.

I personally think making "income taxes" a base for a popular uprising is destined to fail... as even those who see broken Constitutional shackles think it is "just" to pay some form of income tax. You would lose your base. It worked back in the Revolutionary War period, but we have other issues (infringements) today that would make our Founding Fathers shake their heads in disbelief.

Income tax will fall in line once the beast is re-shackled... Treat the cause, not the wound...

Rmpl

[Striker5]

There were some people who tried not paying fed taxes in the early 80's. I seem to remember something about shootouts and federal agents setting houses on fire.

I like the flat tax.

[RHINO6383]

Guys,

Federal income tax is just a burr under the saddle we are all just going to have to deal with.... ain't stopping that snowball rolling down the slope now... Anyone fighting to not pay taxes are just asking for a stay in the hoosecow!

I personally would like to see the employer take 15% from my paycheck every 2 weeks and the employer documents that with Fed and State tax Offices... Then at the end of the year, we be dun! No reviews from teh employee, the company gives a certification every year that is like the W-2 now, but thats the end of our involvement...

The IRS can then direct Agents, who do a hard job, for the most part, in a fair manner. (Yes I know, there have been serious violations of law and common sense!) Those Agents can then go and check Companies and major Corporations, where the big cashola is anyway...

Health care:

Plan: everyone pays $50.00 per family every Pay Period, multiply that by 100 million workers, every two weeks....

and to add to that amount...

I would like to see a .05 percent Federal Health Tax (FHT) on everything, everyone buys in this country to be used by a private corporation under a Bi-partisan group in Government supervision to pay for a National Health Plan (NHP)

FHT and contributions from the employee every two weeks may only be used for the health Plan.... Now, thats an earmark I can get behind.

That way, we all pay a little for our helath care, when ever we buy something.

We get sick, we see doctor, we sign paper, we get receipt and go to pharmacy, sign paper, get medicine... We need hospital, we sign paper, we need operation, we sign paper....

Doctors, Pharmacy's and Hospitals send their bills into the US Government in a center in each state for payment... Their bills get paid... (Oversimplified I know, but its a start)

Let me know what you think.?...

[Snake RAH]

Call me a selfish bastard, but why do I have to pay for someone else's health care?

A lot of the "45 million uninsured" are uninsured by choice. They're either working jobs that don't offer health care, or because of their age (18-24), they choose not to have health insurance.

If one's health or the health of his/her children is so important, then perhaps instead of spending money on clothes, cell phones, multiple new cars, plasma tvs, or even internet and other stuff, they could take care of themselves.

[LOKNLOD]

Call me a selfish bastard, but why do I have to pay for someone else's health care?

A-men!

If anything, I think we ought to do away with insurance almost totally. Medical charges are far too high to pay without insurance (although my dad has done it all my life) once you get past basic sniffles and checkups. But have you seen how much the insurance actually pays? The agreements between the insurance and the doctor result in most of the charges being negated before they're ever even paid. If those were the actual fees people were charged, they'd be much more reasonable and insurance would be much less necessary. Example, I had a kidney stone last summer -- insurance paid most of it, but without any insurance at all, my bill would have been about $10,000. The kicker is that the insurance actually only paid like $3000 of that. Looking through the bill, most of the fees were just written off because of the insurance. That's crap -- if I hadn't had insurance, I wonder if I could have just went through the bill line-item vetoing charges? I know doctors offices will often work with patients on billing, but probably not to that degree.

If fees were more reasonable to begin with, the only kind anyone should need to carry would be more like life insurance, which insures you against any huge bills that come along with a tumor/massive car wreck/etc. And that would be optional.

[hatt]

I personally think making "income taxes" a base for a popular uprising is destined to fail... as even those who see broken Constitutional shackles think it is "just" to pay some form of income tax. You would lose your base. It worked back in the Revolutionary War period, but we have other issues (infringements) today that would make our Founding Fathers shake their heads in disbelief.

Income tax will fall in line once the beast is re-shackled... Treat the cause, not the wound...

Rmpl

You really have to watch it to see their view on the tax issues.

[hatt]

Call me a selfish bastard, but why do I have to pay for someone else's health care?

A lot of the "45 million uninsured" are uninsured by choice. They're either working jobs that don't offer health care, or because of their age (18-24), they choose not to have health insurance.

If one's health or the health of his/her children is so important, then perhaps instead of spending money on clothes, cell phones, multiple new cars, plasma tvs, or even internet and other stuff, they could take care of themselves.

I found it funny the number of people who degrade other people because the person doesn't have a home or food or whatever other neccesity and get Gov't handouts and then turn around and talk about how someone should pay for their healthcare. If someone is a bum for getting .gov food, then you should be a bum for getting .gov healthcare, but that's just my opinion.

I wonder how many uninsured ponied up the $600 for a new IPhone. Oh and the 24 inch rims.

[RHINO6383]

I SURRENDER!, MY only concern is to get a situation where we, all Americans, have a health plan that we can get behind that takes care of what we need, medicine, health checks, bloodtest, Hospitalization and operations, hearing, vision and for left wing dudes, mentaL checks, because they reallly need it!

Now flip this....

Take the .05 and change it to a Border Security Fund, would it be something you would pay for, I damn sure would.