The State of AR Pistols 2010

[Sry0fcr]

So it's 2010 and the advancements (and understanding) of the AR platform and ammunition vs 10 years ago is lightyears where it once was. That said, has the AR pistol advanced enough to be considered a good option (even in a niche role of PDW?) to be used for serious purposes?

Here's where my head is: I want a rifle, but find handguns to be leaps and bounds more practical than even an SBR for my intended uses if for no other reason than concealability. It's hard carry a carbine and go unnoticed unless it's broken down in which case makes it fairly useless unless you find time and cover to assemble and then deploy it. On the other hand a SBR (pistol caliber or otherwise) with a folding stock might be a better choice but the options there are slim as far as popularity/proven systems that isn't an AK (not that there's anything really wrong with an AK, it's just not a system I'm experienced with). Which bring me back to my original question an AR pistol on a single point sling under a jacket sounds like a good idea to me. I understand that ammo selection is critical but I'm not limited to depending on fragmentation from FMJ ammo as the primary wounding mechanism, I'm just wondering if the short uppers have been improved enough to fill my niche (or if you can think of something that would fill it better).

[ucrt]

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I know Noveske about to come out with an AR Pistol.

So, I'd figure since Noveske is coming out with one, they must have the bugs ironed out. Man! I bet it will be accurate and reliable.

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[No.6]

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I know Noveske about to come out with an AR Pistol.

So, I'd figure since Noveske is coming out with one, they must have the bugs ironed out. Man! I bet it will be accurate and reliable.

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Interesting. Any hard data, or is it just rumors?

[kmrtnsn]

"an AR pistol on a single point sling under a jacket sounds like a good idea to me."

To do what, rob a liquor store?

[Army Chief]

Agreed. The merit of such a gun is all conceptual, and falls well short on practicality. I suspect that the reason we haven't seen more development on the AR pistol side is because they are, by definition, severely-compromised weapons with no clearly-definable role.

The method of employment proposed here would seem to mirror that of the old MAC-10 in some ways, though the MAC-10 was select-fire, in a pistol caliber, and still capable of being fired from the shoulder with a passable stock. On balance, it was a crude bullet hose with very limited utility, and despite it's faults, it was still a weapon with more innate potential than any AR pistol.

Some would argue that controllable, aimed fire from an AR pistol is achievable; if so, it is surely in spite of the weapon's design, and not because of it.

AC

[Sry0fcr]

Agreed. The merit of such a gun is all conceptual, and falls well short on practicality. I suspect that the reason we haven't seen more development on the AR pistol side is because they are, by definition, severely-compromised weapons with no clearly-definable role.

The method of employment proposed here would seem to mirror that of the old MAC-10 in some ways, though the MAC-10 was select-fire, in a pistol caliber, and still capable of being fired from the shoulder with a passable stock. On balance, it was a crude bullet hose with very limited utility, and despite it's faults, it was still a weapon with more innate potential than any AR pistol.

Some would argue that controllable, aimed fire from an AR pistol is achievable; if so, it is surely in spite of the weapon's design, and not because of it.

AC

I think that you're on to what I'm thinking about, of course all of this is highly conceptual at this point though but I wanted to at least have the discussion so that I could develop the concept or have it evolve in another direction. Basically I'm wanting a "concealable" PDW, the AR pistol might not be the best option but this being an AR forum figured it'd be a good place to start.

[Sry0fcr]

"an AR pistol on a single point sling under a jacket sounds like a good idea to me."

To do what, rob a liquor store?

No, to have something on me with more range/capacity than a G19 that would go generally unnoticed in the event that my family and I had to evacuate during a natural disaster/civil unrest (or a combination of both) type scenario.

[Skyyr]

"an AR pistol on a single point sling under a jacket sounds like a good idea to me."

To do what, rob a liquor store?

Maybe to have fun with. Maybe for all legal purposes. Maybe it's none of your business. Here's a better question: Why do you need to know?

[boltcatch]

The often overlooked purpose for an AR pistol is to have an SBR length upper of known reliability on hand without having to go through all the cost and hassle of registering an SBR, assuming an SBR is even available in your state at all. It isn't that the AR pistol is an effective weapon - it's not - it's that it simply allows you to have the hardware in the first place.

For example, lets say, for that sake of argument, that having functional NVG's is illegal or highly restricted, but you can own them as a "conversation piece" if you have a bolt on lens cap. Removing the cap is unlawful, but there may come a time where the law doesn't mean a damned thing and it would be really nice to have a pair of NVG's.

I'm not advocating that anyone break the law, just reminding everyone that you may wake up one day to find it gone.

[ucrt]

Interesting. Any hard data, or is it just rumors?

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I talked to a Noveske rep on the phone last week and he told me they are about to come out with it. Sounded like a couple of weeks to me??

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