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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo_Zam_Beek View Post
    I used to think this too. I said good bye to an RRA 20" and a Noveske 18" last week. Now I am down to 16"s and SBRs. I could easily go to 16's only. Ringing steel at 600+ was the convincer for me - 16" -> 20" is a pathetic 'tink'.

    The right 1-4 changes everything.

    It has to be daylight visible under all conditions at 1x.

    It has to be able to range and allow you to shoot hold offs and overs with conventional math for such tasks - this is where proprietary reticles fall short.

    It has to have bombproof reliability.

    For the cost of setting up those three uppers (even pretty minimally) you could set up one true ass kicker - the best upper, the best 1-4, the best mounts, a white light, and a real honest to God laser or a can.

    Good luck
    So, what ended-up being the best 1-4X Variable optic for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassMark View Post
    Elitists, fanboys and shitheads might "scold" you for your choices, (those are the people I ignore) - some can't help themselves, as this is the internet after all. I think however, people with experience combined with knowledge may disagree with your choice and guide you as to the reasons why. I tend to learn from experience, mistakes and guidance - some of it from right here.

    It occurs to me after seeing your set-up that I had posted about my own experience with choosing the exact optic/mount combo you did. I really need to update it, (not that anyone really cares), but perhaps if my experience can save someone else the trouble, then it will be a contribution.

    I will ask you one question though. Did you ever run your rifle with the Millet beyond a static range? For example, a carbine course? I'm curious to your experience, because here was mine:

    Initially, I thought I had reached a sort of nirvana between my desire to have a 1-4 optic on my carbine, coupled with situationally being on a tight budget. The Millet out of the box was everything I could have hoped for. On the range sighting it in was a grin festival. I was drilling quarters at 50-yards and doing some pre-course drills, I was accurately smacking mini IDPA targets from 10-200 yards, curled up underneath the benches - even laying on my back. The donut reticle was bright and easy to acquire. I had hit optic pay dirt...I thought.

    The first weekend I ran the Millet was confirmation of my experience on the range the week prior. My times on the barricade shrunk, target identification/acquisition was easier than with my Trijicon Tripower and certainly better than irons - the steel was ringing that wonderful ring. My rifle bit it hard the next week and I had to bite the bullet so to speak and make some tough financial choices and bought an LMT 16". The Millet on deck of this sweet LMT would certainly be the icing on the preverbal M4 cake. Nope.

    The third week of medium-hard use, my Millet went tits-up. I was unpacking my rifle after sighting it in on the LMT the prior day and handed it to one of my buddies. He looked through the lens and said "Wow! this is awesome, but you seem to be canted a bit. He's a lefty, so I dismissed it and got my gear ready. During warm ups I visibly watched my reticle go from level to 8 o'clock in 20-rounds. I thought the scope was loose in the PEPR - it wasn't. The reticle itself was running wild and free inside the scope. To say I was dispirited would be an understatement. I had to continue on with the training, so I found another weakness with this set-up. If you LocTite this unit to your gun, you had better prepare your kit with a wrench to get this off, as the mounting nuts have a hugely wide slot, (beyond my SOG multi tool and a gun tool in my range bag). The posts also when tightened to the nut, protrude slightly into the slot anyway, making a secure grip with a blade tricky. We had to use a box wrench to get this thing off. In the field, that would suck a bit... I continued on with the class, but did not do well - it got into my brain that day. I sent the scope back and chose not to replace it with another. Did I have a lemon? An anomaly? I'll never know. I put the Tripower back on deck, pressed on and saved for the Leupold MR/T.

    Some here would even disagree with that choice. I think I read in another thread that someone called the reticle "useless". I have found the opposite to be true. I am very happy with this scope. Like another poster said it does not do anything perfectly, but it does everything I need it to do pretty damned well. From threat drills, to barricades, obstacles, static range, CQB and beyond, I'm pretty stoked with my choice and glad I bided my time and put the best optic I could afford on my rifle. the mount is next, (LaRue) and for me anyway, my go-to rifle puzzle is complete...
    This is a lot easier to take as criticism tha people saying "That's too cheap to work right." Lol. No, I never actually ran it hard, as through a training course, etc... only spent about three or four afternoons on the back deck or local range shooting pop-cans and the occasional squirrel. Nice confirmed kill out to 80 yards...

    I wonder what Millett would've said if you contacted them about your experience? Not defending their products, but only curious if that was a fluke in that scope, or if all their products perform to that sub-standard...?

    ~Bobby
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Dub View Post
    I went with a weaver 1-3x20mm in a burris pepr mount. For what i use my are for, its perfect. I was really suprised how light the weaver is...and its price was great too.
    Though I ended up ordering a 15-ounce Bushnell Elite 4200 1.25-4x24 because the price was really right on Amazon, scopes like the Weaver are literally half the weight. Another scope worth a look too IMO is the Leupold 2.5x20 (which is actually 2.2x), if a low power fixed works for you. The Leupold weighs in at just 6.5 ounces! The Leupold plus a T1 in a side mount weigh just over 10 ounces. I may end up with that combo yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert0989 View Post
    This is a lot easier to take as criticism tha people saying "That's too cheap to work right." Lol. No, I never actually ran it hard, as through a training course, etc... only spent about three or four afternoons on the back deck or local range shooting pop-cans and the occasional squirrel. Nice confirmed kill out to 80 yards...

    I wonder what Millett would've said if you contacted them about your experience? Not defending their products, but only curious if that was a fluke in that scope, or if all their products perform to that sub-standard...?

    ~Bobby
    You know what? I never bothered to contact them and shame on me really. I wasn't really 'mad' per se at Millet either - I just needed to move on. Called OpticsPlanet, got a return auth, got my money back, banked it and saved for the Leupy. I've been hyper-focused over the last year to try and build up a rifle that will be as reliable and functional as I can afford. No bells and whistles unless they're needed. I guess I figured: Oh well, Millet is great for range use - not so great for course use. You bring up a great point and I'm going to contact them today....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiDevil View Post
    So, what ended-up being the best 1-4X Variable optic for you?
    S&B 1- 4 / CQB / Locking
    Noveske N4 Switch block upper / DPMS stripped lower built up with good parts
    Surefire M951
    Surefire can
    Laser Devices DBAL A2

    I have shot it to 750 yrds but most of the LR stuff has been 450 -> 650. I have also taken it to a Super Dave class. I am a believer.



    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo_Zam_Beek View Post
    S&B 1- 4 / CQB / Locking
    Good luck
    Thanks for sharing your experience and insights.

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    I do believe there is a thread here that lists the 1-4X options.

    I have a Meopta K Dot for 3 gun and it works great (picked it up for about $800 including the LaRue QD mount) Battery life is about 80 hours so I wouldn't recommend it for LEO or miliatary duty.

    My next low power variable will either be a TR24G or Swaro Z6i. I've heard Leuopold is coming out with a 1-8X, but I haven't been surfing the optics threads lately to know much more than that.

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    Picked up a S&B short dot CQB the other day for $1000. It was LNIB. The best deal I've gotten in a while. Though getting the BDC turrets on correctly is making me feel like pulling my hair out. This is my second Short Dot. I love them.
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    If you want to see some great photos comparing several 1-4X check this out. http://www.opticstalk.com/swfa-14x-s...81_page16.html

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    I was wondering if a RECCE with a 1-4 could essentially replace an SPR-type rifle with a 2.5-10 (I would sell the SPR upper and move the 2.5 onto an AR10 for the longer-range shooting).

    One thing that made me consider this was that most WWII snipers did quite well with 4x or lower powered optics....
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