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    what type?

    so, what is a good lube for the (ar) system if one does run it with heavy lube? what i would like to know is, do we use a thick type oil, or a light oil? i always use clp, but after a little while in storage the clp seems to end up in the buffer tube. should one lube prior to use? or is there a lube that will be there when you most need it to be. thanks

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    While CLP is the mil standard, i strongly prefer Slip 2000, especially the Enhanced Weapon Lube. The Machine Gunners Lube sold by Larue and others is also a very good to go lube.

    The bottom line is use something, and use it properly (wet).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat_Rogers View Post
    While CLP is the mil standard, i strongly prefer Slip 2000, especially the Enhanced Weapon Lube. The Machine Gunners Lube sold by Larue and others is also a very good to go lube.

    The bottom line is use something, and use it properly (wet).
    Im going to give this stuff a try. Your trial and error accounts for alot.
    Thanks Pat..

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    Thanks for the kind words Sidewinder6. I try....

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    Pat,

    I notice you are not enamored with CLP and in the past have inferred it may not the best thing for your health.

    Have you seen anything in the Break Free CLP MSDS that makes you leery or perhaps heard something that gives you pause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m700m View Post
    so, what is a good lube for the (ar) system if one does run it with heavy lube? what i would like to know is, do we use a thick type oil, or a light oil? i always use clp, but after a little while in storage the clp seems to end up in the buffer tube. should one lube prior to use? or is there a lube that will be there when you most need it to be. thanks

    My issued gun spends alot of time in the rack, in teh NM heat, for this reason I use TW25. After watching Paul Howe slather it on, I think I'll be alright.

    It stays put, but is not so thick as to cause problems. I alos keep a small bottle of Militec or Slip2000 in the vest. If I'm on the range, I can always add alittle wet lube.

    I think the TW25 should get me thru my basic load of ammo, after that, since I'll have to jam mags, etc, I think putting some wet lube on the gun, is not out of the rhelm of possibility.

    Another officer at work claimes shes(yes she) never had a problem with Hoppes gun oil. I tried to get her to understand thats because, she cleans the gun, oils it, and it sits, drys out, etc. She then lubes it on the range, shes never had to fire it 2 or 3 months after the last maintenance she pulled on it, w/o re-lubing first, like in a gunfight. Her level officer does not shoot alot to begin with either.

    Bob

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    Now I have read the MSDS on the plain old Hoppes Gun oil and it is nothing more than mineral oil. Could not find it again.


    And I found this:

    http://www.break-free.com/products/m...clp_liquid.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Metal View Post
    Now I have read the MSDS on the plain old Hoppes Gun oil and it is nothing more than mineral oil. Could not find it again.


    And I found this:

    http://www.break-free.com/products/m...clp_liquid.pdf
    At the risk of venturing into this lane (Lubrication Issues), where I am simply a grateful consumer of the knowledge presented, I do have real world endocrinology experience and can comment on "simple mineral oil" and other complex carbon chain based lubricants. The primary concern I have with breathing the vapor is that a byproduct of high heat and some petroleum products is benzene and other aromatic carbon rings that are highly biologically active (carcinogenic, "steroid-like", etc). Heavy lubrication is likely to increase exposure considerably.

    Also, thank you Pat and others for sharing your insights and recommendations.

    I'll head back to my lane now.

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    Heavy Metal,
    While working at my old address, we had a chemist attached to us and gave us a break down into what was allegedly in that at the time.
    He was surprised that we had it on our unprotected hands while cleaning and cautiones us about it.
    I am not a chemist, nor do i play one on TV so i figured that there were other lubricants that didn't scare him/ others as much and i would pay more attention.
    I don't know what is in it now, but i like what Slip does, and possibly does it better.

    As Bob states, TW25B is a pretty good grease. Known as "Elephant Sperm" in the Marine Corps, it is used on (among other things) the upgraded weapons station on the AAV's.
    I have used it with great success. Bob's use of the TW25 for his use is a clue.

    Rykyard- thanks for the kind words, and also for the information. You are not by any stretch out of your lane Partner. You are providing information that is valuable and useful.
    My spousal unit is a Scientist with more degrees then a thermometer and what she considers light reading would turn my miniscule brain into mush.
    She puts forth some pearls of wisdom about what i / we do and it puts me out of my lane on a regular basis

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    At the recent S&W AR Armorers school I attended, we talked about CLP at length. Did anyone every think about the fact that you cannot clean, lubricate and preserve well all at the same time?

    My understanding is that CLP was made to be a "quick fix" for machine gunners and was never intended to be a long lasting lube.


    Like Pat, I am fan of Slip 2000 and Machine Gunners Lube. Both keep things wet for a long time.



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