Why hasn't S&W copied Apex?

[karandom]

First off forgive me if this have been covered, but I haven't been able to find the thread if it has.

I plan on picking up a M&P9 with the APEX DCAEK due to the near universal praise of the APEX parts. I can't help but wonder why hasn't S&W taken APEX's trigger upgrades and added them to the M&P? Clearly APEX has figured out how to make the M&P trigger run "how it should" and all the parts drop in. I admit that I have no manufacturing knowledge so it may be too costly for Smith to retool for the parts or it may infringe on the intellectual property rights of APEX or Smith just doesn't care. I just find it strange the S&W will updated known problems such as the striker, but neglect implementing a better trigger.

Am I completely crazy or can someone help me out with this conundrum.

[021411]

My M&P was sent off to S&W's Performance Center before Apex Tactical came into existence. As far as I can tell visually without full stripping, they changed out the sear (of course) and rounded off the striker block ala Glock trigger jobs. The feed ramp was also polished. I'm not sure what other parts were touched up as I didn't take a close look before sending it off over a year ago. It's actually light years beyond what the stock trigger felt like. Reset is much stronger compared to stock. I'm guessing the trigger is in the mid to high 4# range. I don't think they changed out any springs. To date I haven't had any stoppages based on the work/parts from S&W. Couldn't be happier.
Now had this been today, Apex of course with all the rave reviews.

[JHC]

Deleted rant. What's the point? LOL

[G34Shooter]

Maybe they will be working with Apex in the future

[milosz]

The M&P seems to be selling very well as-is - S&W probably sees no reason to mess with their cash cow.

I've got to send my 9 off to Apex, if I shoot it in the same session as my Gen 4 G22 or P30 LEM, I wind up short-stroking way too often.

[karandom]

I also wonder that if Smith is afraid that they will have to retrofit older pistols with new triggers if they change in a significant way.

All I know is that mine will be shipped by Grant to me with the goodies already installed.

[Randy Lee]

Thanks for the compliments guys.

Smith is definitely responding to what they see and hear on this as well as other forums, and the feedback they get from LE agencies.

The way I see it is that the M&P platform is still evolving. We wouldn't be making parts an designing new mechanisms for the pistol if we did not think it had potential. Smith is a large company, so changes tend to take time. But fortunately they do come.

I hope to be able to work with both the LE Reps as well as the Engineers in the not too distant future. The more I work with the platform and shoot it, the more potential I see for the pistol. And if our parts make the pistol more enjoyable or perform better in the hands of operators and LEOs, then both Apex and Smith win.

-Randy

[G34Shooter]

Thanks for the compliments guys.

Smith is definitely responding to what they see and hear on this as well as other forums, and the feedback they get from LE agencies.

The way I see it is that the M&P platform is still evolving. We wouldn't be making parts an designing new mechanisms for the pistol if we did not think it had potential. Smith is a large company, so changes tend to take time. But fortunately they do come.

I hope to be able to work with both the LE Reps as well as the Engineers in the not too distant future. The more I work with the platform and shoot it, the more potential I see for the pistol. And if our parts make the pistol more enjoyable or perform better in the hands of operators and LEOs, then both Apex and Smith win.

-Randy

[Bolt_Overide]

Apex is a 1000% improvement over stock, all mine have it, or will have it shortly.

[Magsz]

Randy will hit a home run out of the park once he releases his trigger bar...AHEM!

As it stands right now the apex sear is a much crisper and distinct break but there is still WAY too much pre travel on this system, its actually a bigger problem once you delay the engagement of the sear by the trigger bar loop like you do with the Apex unit.

Smith doesnt really NEED to change the pistol. They simply work and they work well for the majority of the end users. People that want to push the limits of their pistol will do that with any platform, hence the creation of aftermarket parts and third party manufacturers.

I just recently removed three APEX sears from my guns and have gone back to stock sears as i find it easier to deal with less pre travel than more over travel when shooting at speed. Im probably in the minority here but i want to give it a whirl for a few thousand rounds and see how i perform at the end of the experiment. I may plop some over travel stops into my sear housings but that will kind of defeat the purpose of the test. :P