You know the old saying?..... "Show me the money!"
Well I say; "Show me the group!".
This is a group that MOLON fired and what I'm talking about;
And here is the link to his thread in this same forum:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=63446
I don't know about most of you bench-style shooting guys out there, but I get so tired of some guys bragging about how easy it is for them to shoot 1/2" - 3/4" groups with their AR15. But most guys never seem to have photos of it. (And NO...give me a break will ya; 3 shot groups DON'T COUNT. I don't want to see them!! ......if it's legit skill that you have, and not partially luck, then you ought to be able to do it with 5 shots......and know in your heart that your photo doesn't represent a group that's a fluke that you can't often repeat.) Well, I've got enough problems keeping 5 shot groups with my RRA NM A4 rifle in 3/4" groups.....no less doing what Molon does; making sub-1/2" 10 shot groups. (I can't do that at all!!...not once.)
So, to you Molon (or any other legit sub 3/4" 5 shot group shooters out there) I direct a couple of questions;
How do you hold your rifle when you get these kinds of incredible groups?
Here's my dilemma I have when holding my rifle; When I shoot my A4 RRA NM for the utmost test of accuracy, I feel it is best to load each round individually into the chamber without a magazine. But when I do this, it requires that I change my body position and upset my hold of the rifle to look into the chamber and load the cartridge. This ruins the "rythym" of maintaining a steady and consistant hold. However, if I allow the magazine to load the 5 rounds semi-auto into the barrel, (and be able to maintain a less interupted hold) then how do I know if the bullets aren't getting deformed on their way into the chamber? Sooo.....however you would tell me you hold and operate your Ar15 rifle to get these tight groups will be good enough for me.
Next question for you;
Is my problem maybe originating in that RRA Wilson factory barrel? Might I instead be able to maintain steady sub 3/4" 5 shot groups with a Wilson 1-7 WOA 20" SDM barrel? I'm not crazy about it being a Wilson barrel, and wonder if Wilson's even the right stuff to be messing with. WOA offers the same style SDM barrel in 1-8 in a Krieger Criterion barrel for $40 more. (is this Krieger "Criterion" knock off any better then Wilson?) I like my AR15 barrels to be service oriented, and NOT terribly heavy. So the lighter fluted SDM barrel is more what I would like. But, I already have a Wilson factory barrel in that RRA NM rifle, and I'm not impressed with the 1" groups I get with it. (4 years of it now!) Yes, I get a 3/4" group once in awhile (or those silly 3 shots groups that measure 1/2" just about as often) but, this is basically a steady 1"- 1 1/8" shooter. This is why, I'm wondering if my hold is the problem, or if the problem is that factory Wilson barrel. (??)
I shoot 1/4" to 1/2" groups regularly with my custom barrel bolt action varmint rifles, but this 1" accuracy with my RRA AR is driving me nuts.
(PS Molon; Now you know why I asked for you to give me 30 minutes to write this. )
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