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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueOvalFan View Post
    This is drawing from my USAF training with M16/M4's not something I practice on my personal weapons, but...
    I soooo wish I could fling a MICH helmet at your head.

    The info in the remainder of that post in known to be wrong (except to military instructors of all branches, of course). Known-bad source material.

    So, between that and the fact that you don't hold to that incorrect information...unless you go the opposite way and leave your shit totally dry (you don't specify, but if you do, you NEED helmets thrown at your head), in what way were you trying to be helpful by advocating something you yourself won't do? Especially since using way more than "sparingly, in select locations" is known to be of no negative impact?

    Don't answer that.

    My mind might not be able to take the un-logic of whatever led to you putting fingers to keyboard, pushing bad info that you yourself don't even believe, and be subsequently rent asunder by the chaos of that thought.

    Think, people. I know it hurts the first time.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueOvalFan View Post
    This is drawing from my USAF training but my conclusion would be the more oil present the more likely it is to gum the works up by attracting dirt and carbon.

    Having said that...if it's not a fighting gun go at it with what works best for you.
    what ???? i would love for your instructors to talk to my old gunny . From my time spent in the dirt and mud etc in the marine corps is the more clp the better. You cant just run your rifle with just some clp in certin spots. We used to have clp dripping out of our rifles when shooting. Look at it as a engine would you just lube up certin parts of the engine and expect it to work right and not cause damage.
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    Maybe more than a little. It's hard to tell with the smoke from the suppressor.

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    A little smoke?



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    Same here. Prior to any carbine course, I slather my BCG with Slip 2000 or LaRue MG oil and have nary a problem, while the guys that use Rem Oil or no lube at all end up spending their breaks un-screwing their weapons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I have been known to literally pour oil in to my BCG area and have yet to have a an issue other than a little smoke come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I have been known to literally pour oil in to my BCG area and have yet to have a an issue other than a little smoke come out.
    I second that ! Been there many times and done that too, with no problems. Patriot
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSantoro View Post
    I soooo wish I could fling a MICH helmet at your head.
    If you must, my cranium is at your service...

    The info in the remainder of that post in known to be wrong (except to military instructors of all branches, of course). Known-bad source material.
    If it's bad info then why is it continued to be practiced? Better let uncle sam know their screwing chit up. It's provided to the OP as a data point so he can form his own opinions.

    So, between that and the fact that you don't hold to that incorrect information...unless you go the opposite way and leave your shit totally dry (you don't specify, but if you do, you NEED helmets thrown at your head),
    You may not like it, and you may not agree with it, but its a valid data point non-the less.

    In fact I know of several Army NG Regional Weapons Trainers (Train the trainer) instructions that do in fact run the 'their' shit dry. Go figure... I never asked him why he runs the weapon that why, but since him and his unit has been to Iraq a few times I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Again not something I practice, but he must do so based on personal experience to some good reason.


    in what way were you trying to be helpful by advocating something you yourself won't do? Especially since using way more than "sparingly, in select locations" is known to be of no negative impact?

    Don't answer that.
    Well, unlike some folks on the board, I never preach my personal preference to folks, but simply provide true data points they can ponder and determine what works best for them. But... I can see you like the direct approach. Preach on brother!!!

    My mind might not be able to take the un-logic of whatever led to you putting fingers to keyboard, pushing bad info that you yourself don't even believe, and be subsequently rent asunder by the chaos of that thought.

    Think, people. I know it hurts the first time.....
    Interesting... Your opinions are gospel and we should all crowd around them. Again, you may not agree with the CADRE's instruction, but it is what it is.

    Again, I provided factual information that is currently utilize and simple choose to let the individuals determine what works best for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by devildogljb View Post
    what ???? i would love for your instructors to talk to my old gunny . From my time spent in the dirt and mud etc in the marine corps is the more clp the better. You cant just run your rifle with just some clp in certain spots. We used to have clp dripping out of our rifles when shooting. Look at it as a engine would you just lube up certain parts of the engine and expect it to work right and not cause damage.
    Well... Again, take it up with the CADRE. I wish I had the written text that is recited, but single or double drops here and there on the BCG and FSP, and absolutely non on the lower.

    Absolutely no slathering anywhere...

    As for your engine analogy; I absolutely agree.

    Sigh... I can't help but find humor in both of your posts. No miss-infermation was provided, you just don't agree with the accepted practice. In fact I don't agree with it either, but agian, it is what it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by GermanSynergy View Post
    "...I slather my BCG with Slip 2000 or LaRue MG oil..."
    Quote Originally Posted by rockm4 View Post
    I second that ! Been there many times and done that too, with no problems. Patriot
    Now, putting aside my training provided to me by SFS CADRE as required by the USAF policy I do exercises my own personal preference right, wrong or indifferent. Which if you must know I apply a liberal amount of lubrication on all friction points.
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    Sigh... I can't help but find humor in both of your posts. No miss-infermation was provided, you just don't agree with the accepted practice. In fact I don't agree with it either, but agian, it is what it is.


    Where exactly to you find the humor and if you dont agree with it why bring it up much less suggest it ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I have been known to literally pour oil in to my BCG area and have yet to have a an issue other than a little smoke come out.
    I keep mine fairly wet at all times as well, never had an issue with oil being in the chamber, bore, or on the bolt face either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildogljb View Post
    Where exactly to you find the humor and if you don't agree with it why bring it up much less suggest it ?
    Well, mostly due to the fact you folks are arguing against an accept practice by the military (well, at least the AF) and faulting me for referencing it. Because it is factual, the practice is worth mentioning based on the OP's original question. Let him (or anyone else for that matter) determine if the application is acceptable to them.

    And more importantly my beliefs are mine--I most certainly don't "PUSH" them onto others. As a rule I typically provide valid and sometime contrasting points (synonymous with pro's and con's) that require one to form their own opinion.

    Maybe I need to be more narcissistic with my future posts and provide only what I believe to be true and disregard any other possible valid points of view.

    But hey, if you folks find some perverse pleasure in the banter then flame on. I'm sure everyone likes a good thread derailment once in while.
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    I've never heard of, let alone seen a AR-15 type firearm malfunction or stop running due to too much lube (let alone blow up or bulge from it).

    I have seen, and heard of many, instances of them stopping because of being run dry.

    Regardless of what any particular military manual (probably written or last revised sometime in the 1970s) might say, the accepted practice these days for nearly all conditions is to liberally lube the bolt/carrier group. Dumping lube on it like a Texan dumps syrup on pancakes is fine if you're going to be running it hard, though it makes a mess if you store it right after that.

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