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    Red Dots on Handguns

    This appears to be the new hot ticket on defensive handguns, particularly the Trijicon RMR and Leupold Deltapoint. While there are a few threads here on M4C about the subject, none of them are very detailed. I was hoping to get a little more info from people who have experience with this setup.

    -What issue, if any, have you had with your setup?
    -Pros/Cons?
    -LED or Dual ilumination
    -Dot type/MOA size
    -Mounting methods/Placement
    -Ect.

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    So you acknowledge that there are existing threads, yet you insist on starting your own to rehash the information instead of posting those same questions in the aforementioned existing threads?


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    Good timing because I'm thinking about building a G17 or G34 with a red dot and I'd like to hear some opinions and experiences as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Business_Casual View Post
    So you acknowledge that there are existing threads, yet you insist on starting your own to rehash the information instead of posting those same questions in the aforementioned existing threads?

    I haven't seen a comprehensive thread that discusses the technical details that the OP is looking for. We've had several that discuss how cool there are or very specific aspects of a single setup though. With Red Dots poised to become more and more popular I think it’s fitting we have some more in depth discussions about them.

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    Fair enough.

    If you go with a battery RMR, put a fresh battery in it before you mount and zero it.

    I predict that they will become very popular and then fizzle out when the "shoot fast miss fast" crowd realize that the limited alignment forces you to slow down and aim carefully. If there's one thing handgunners I see at the range don't like, it is aiming.

    B_C

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    I have to respectfully disagree. I think that since red dots are so popular on rifles and carbines that it's only natural that they will bleed over to handguns. That's just my opinion and I could be WAAAYYYYYY off base

    But I'm willing to spend the money and give one a try!

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    From the bit I have shot with a RD on a handgun (G19), I would say that if you cant punch straight out and always have a good sight picture, the RD will slow you down (at least at first). The dot can be hard to find in the little window. Since I also have a G19 and shoot a lot I didnt have an issue but some shooters did. Once I got comfortable with it, it was fast and longer shots seemed a lot easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welchtactical View Post
    From the bit I have shot with a RD on a handgun (G19), I would say that if you cant punch straight out and always have a good sight picture, the RD will slow you down (at least at first).
    That is accurate.

    The dot can be hard to find in the little window.
    That is also accurate, but it does get better. I use the front BUIS to index off of - is that cheating?

    Since I also have a G19 and shoot a lot I didnt have an issue but some shooters did.
    I carry a G19 with a LED RMR on a daily basis.

    Once I got comfortable with it, it was fast and longer shots seemed a lot easier.
    Longer shots are stupid easy. Shooting while moving is easier. Everything - except when you have to index the dot - is better. It is that little problem of indexing the dot. This is where the Bowie BUIS set up really brings an advantage to the table.

    Shrug. But what do I know? The jury is still out for serious shooters, apparently.

    B_C

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    Thanks for all the great info Magz!

    B_C, how about some pictures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Business_Casual View Post
    That is accurate.



    That is also accurate, but it does get better. I use the front BUIS to index off of - is that cheating?



    I carry a G19 with a LED RMR on a daily basis.



    Longer shots are stupid easy. Shooting while moving is easier. Everything - except when you have to index the dot - is better. It is that little problem of indexing the dot. This is where the Bowie BUIS set up really brings an advantage to the table.

    Shrug. But what do I know? The jury is still out for serious shooters, apparently.

    B_C
    BC,

    Dont get your panties in a twist man. Its still a relatively "new" concept despite Bowie and others like him having run these setups for years.

    We could end up running into serious issues relating to durability with the current crop of MRD's when mounted on a pistol slide.

    We will have to see, no insult was intended nor was i referring to you as someone that doesnt take shooting seriously.

    M4, ill have some pictures up tomorrow or the day after once i finish the work on this particular G17. The slide is the suarez/one source tactical setup with trijicon RMR LED version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotDylan View Post
    This appears to be the new hot ticket on defensive handguns, particularly the Trijicon RMR and Leupold Deltapoint. While there are a few threads here on M4C about the subject, none of them are very detailed. I was hoping to get a little more info from people who have experience with this setup.

    -What issue, if any, have you had with your setup?
    -Pros/Cons?
    -LED or Dual ilumination
    -Dot type/MOA size
    -Mounting methods/Placement
    -Ect.
    I set up a gen4 17 with a duel illuminated RMR as a test bed and have since done some of my best shooting ever.
    My Brother from another Mother B_C (not to be left behind) set up his blaster with an 8moa led RMR.

    A major con/issue with the duel illuminated model is washout. At first I was attracted to the duel because I thought it was a no-brainer to have a sight that didn't ever need batteries. I also figured it would definitely be more durable due to its simplicity. All that goes out the window if your going to be using this set up for social work because the negative side of washout far outweighs the pros big time. To give you an idea of what I'm talking about If I point my duel powered RMR at the t.v. the dot vanishes. Indoors to outside when the sun is out- gone. Surefire a smallish room-gone. Just unacceptable for a go-to pistol. If its a range/training only gun the duel is still cool.

    The 7&8moa dots fit neatly inside an NRA targets black bulls eye at 25 yards. It's big enough to pick up fast and I have confidence It doesn't need to be any smaller to take precision shooting with a combat pistol to it's limits. If you go any smaller you may be treading in gamer territory. Another way to go is the Delta point due to it's triangle, you can use the top tip as a precision aiming point as needed and paste the triangle on target business as usual in faster/closer shooting scenarios. I can't comment on this set up much more since I don't have one yet but David Bowie of Bowie tactical Concepts has been running one for a while and speaks highly of it.

    That brings me to Mr. Bowie. Yes, shameless plug time. David is a dialed in end user and has been running dots on pistols and preaching their benefits for many years. David is ahead of the curve right now when it comes to getting the custom work needed to set up your chosen sight on a pistol. I talked with him before starting the RMR adventure and he advised me wisely of his favorite set up. The sight is milled all the way to the rear of the slide, this keeps the sight as far away from the ejection port as possible to ease soot build up and possible damage from spent cases. The back up suppressor iron sight is milled in front of the RMR/Delta point also aiding in protecting the glass and also does away with the occluded sight picture you would get by putting the back up sight behind the glass. I'm very pleased with this set up and I don't think I'm the only one. I know of a firearms Guru who gets the utmost respect on this forum who runs this set up as well from Bowie and is pleased.

    As far a durability goes It's still up in the air. Ive read everything I come across on this subject and haven't read much negativity on the RMRs or the Delta points durability. please post if you have any info on this.

    Also, anyone Know if RMR's and Delta Points are Mil Spec?

    Hope this helped.

    Cheers,
    Hanna
    beware of the man with the well worn guns

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