PEO soldier roadmap for replacing/improving the M4 carbine

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At this stage, I still think it is all smoke and mirrors, but here is the slide just the same

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...then-the-bolt/

PEO Solider PowerPoint slide showing the phases of the M4A1 Carbine upgrade

[rob_s]

It's actually the conclusion of the chart, in the green box, I find the most odd.

Isn't that always the goal? and don't you need a baseline from which to evaluate competitors? and isn't it at all strange that they are trying to solve a problem, that by many accounts is a software problem, with hardware?

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It's actually the conclusion of the chart, in the green box, I find the most odd.

Isn't that always the goal? and don't you need a baseline from which to evaluate competitors? and isn't it at all strange that they are trying to solve a problem, that by many accounts is a software problem, with hardware?

I don't find it strange at all. It is the American Way of War, after all.

Google "Taylorism". The US military is convinced that you can engineer all problems out of the system and achieve perfection.

[sinister]

Remember that PEO Soldier and PM Small Arms are supposed to be answering the requirements of the force -- not be the self-licking ice cream cone making work to justify their existence.

I believe in this case I agree, yes, they're knee-jerking to the fact the force is under-trained and inexperienced when it comes to the individual Soldier's simple small arms.

[skyugo]

I don't find it strange at all. It is the American Way of War, after all.

Google "Taylorism". The US military is convinced that you can engineer all problems out of the system and achieve perfection.

hmm... if the US military was familiar with occam's razor and murphy's law they might actually succeed.

i'd heard awhile ago that military top brass was spending too much time with powerpoint.... this may be an example.


disclaimer-i think the M4/AR15 platform is quite good, money could probably be better spent elsewhere. vehicles and body armor for example. and intel.

[Iraqgunz]

I would like to see a test of say (10) 14.5" midlength carbines, properly lubricated go against (10) 14.5" standard M4 carbines and see what happens. I think it would be an interesting test.

[kaiservontexas]

I would like to see a test of say (10) 14.5" midlength carbines, properly lubricated go against (10) 14.5" standard M4 carbines and see what happens. I think it would be an interesting test.

I would find that interesting to boot. Though I admit I have no experience with an SBR as we know it in the civilian world.

[skyugo]

I would like to see a test of say (10) 14.5" midlength carbines, properly lubricated go against (10) 14.5" standard M4 carbines and see what happens. I think it would be an interesting test.

i was under the impression that middies ran best with a 16" barrel.... the 14.5's seem a bit undergassed...

the carbine length system really is best for 12.5's and under though....

[Iraqgunz]

Where did you hear that? Have you read any of the stuff that markm and I have posted about our review of the BCM 14.5" middy that we have been testing? We were able to get it to function consistently using all the way up to an H3 buffer with milspec ammo.

Didn't seem undergassed to me.

i was under the impression that middies ran best with a 16" barrel.... the 14.5's seem a bit undergassed...

the carbine length system really is best for 12.5's and under though....

[rob_s]

i was under the impression that middies ran best with a 16" barrel.... the 14.5's seem a bit undergassed...

I thought this too, and then I got my hands on two BCM 14.5" mid-length gas rifles. I just passed 750 rounds on the first and had over 400 on the second when I sent it back (T&E for a print article was over). With the exception of 75 rounds of Wolf all has been Brown Bear 62 grain HP with no malfunctions.