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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    According to that website their barrels have M4 feedramps. I am pretty sure that S&W uppers do.
    I read that on the site too. I'm just not sure how far I trust them.

    Why on earth anyone would make an M4 profile commercial barrel out of stainless steel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I read that on the site too. I'm just not sure how far I trust them.

    Why on earth anyone would make an M4 profile commercial barrel out of stainless steel...
    'cause it's expected that stainless aren't chrome-lined, and are generally considered "accurate." kills two marketing birds with one stone, for a budget shop.

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    It does have M4 feed ramps. I had never had any feeding issues prior to having the work done on my gun. After tightening the gas block yesterday it seemed to remedy the issue. Ill just have to make a few more trips to the range and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I read that on the site too. I'm just not sure how far I trust them.

    Why on earth anyone would make an M4 profile commercial barrel out of stainless steel...
    I just noticed that the site shows an M4 profile barrel. Mine is a Recce. Not sure if that changes anything. So whats the downside to the stainless?

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    Because it looks cool. I don't trust them either. I just find it very difficult to believe that their quality can equal Noveske or BCM for that price.

    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I read that on the site too. I'm just not sure how far I trust them.

    Why on earth anyone would make an M4 profile commercial barrel out of stainless steel...



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    So I'm trying to understand here guys so excuse me if I am repeating myself. I'm not really clear at this point. Are you guys saying that the link to the barrel I bought (or the one that is one their site and I am pretty positive made out of the same material my barrel is) is a poor quality barrel? Or just that it isn't as good as a BCM? If it is a por quality barrel what makes it so? Can someone please explain to me the difference in the material? I've searched it a few times and I just come up with stainless is supposed to be more accurate but not by much. Does this sound right? My rifle did function fine yesterday so I am hoping it was just the gas block making it cycle weird so as long as I am getting decent accuracy with it (Im really not that good of a shot) and it doesn't explode on me what am I missing out on.

    Thanks again. Just trying to get a grasp on what some people are posting and why.

    If the barrel is supposedly that bad I will swap it out with something better but I need justification to do so. I'm not going to buy another barrel just because this one isn't a Noveske.
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    The things that make Noveskes more expensive are in large part going to be their quality control, and the fact that they HPT and magnaflux every barrel. I don't know how many barrels Noveske rejects as not meeting quality standards, but I'll bet it's more than Parallax Tactical does.

    Anyway, if it shoots well for you and hasn't blown up yet, maybe you're good to go. I'm still wondering about your chamber though...bullet damage (setback) is a potentially serious problem, and its relationship to a loose gas block isn't intuitively obvious.

    BTW, have you considered getting that gas block pinned? Having come loose once....

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    Quote Originally Posted by btaksier View Post
    So I'm trying to understand here guys so excuse me if I am repeating myself. I'm not really clear at this point. Are you guys saying that the link to the barrel I bought (or the one that is one their site and I am pretty positive made out of the same material my barrel is) is a poor quality barrel? Or just that it isn't as good as a BCM? If it is a por quality barrel what makes it so? Can someone please explain to me the difference in the material? I've searched it a few times and I just come up with stainless is supposed to be more accurate but not by much. Does this sound right? My rifle did function fine yesterday so I am hoping it was just the gas block making it cycle weird so as long as I am getting decent accuracy with it (Im really not that good of a shot) and it doesn't explode on me what am I missing out on.

    Thanks again. Just trying to get a grasp on what some people are posting and why.

    If the barrel is supposedly that bad I will swap it out with something better but I need justification to do so. I'm not going to buy another barrel just because this one isn't a Noveske.
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    Concerning AR's, people tend to "think" they are getting something "good enough" or "almost as good" if it just "looks" close to some known standard.

    What you have is a stainless barrel that may "appear" to be the same as any other company's barrel. That's it-just an appearance. There's no way you found a "deal" at less than half the price of a known quality barrel.

    There are a lot of steps to making a quality barrel and those steps take time, tools, machines, etc. plus the raw material is not cheap. All of that has to be passed on to the buyer. I'd bet that those barrels were made somewhere English isn't spoken or they are just a facsimile of a real barrel.

    Here's, a quick search for these two Types of SS:
    Type 410 (what BCM uses)
    is hardenable, straight-chromium stainless steel which combines superior wear resistance of high carbon alloys with the excellent corrosion resistance of chromium stainless steels.

    Grade 416 (what your barrel is makde of)
    is sometimes used in the unhardened or hardened and highly tempered condition because of its low cost and ready machinability.

    Sorry...

    But maybe it's just me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ucrt View Post

    Grade 416 (what your barrel is makde of)
    is sometimes used in the unhardened or hardened and highly tempered condition because of its low cost and ready machinability.
    Isn't 416R the steel that Noveske uses in their barrels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by btaksier View Post
    Are you guys saying that the link to the barrel I bought (or the one that is one their site and I am pretty positive made out of the same material my barrel is) is a poor quality barrel? Or just that it isn't as good as a BCM? If it is a por quality barrel what makes it so? Can someone please explain to me the difference in the material?
    There is nothing wrong with your barrel, it will probably see you through thousands of rounds. What you have to ask yourself is what you want the rifle to do. For those of us that consider our rifles fighting weapons in a life or death situation, the close adherence to mil standards make some products much more desirable.

    As far as what makes one barrel better than another, you have to consider material, manufacturing process, and inspection. This thread describes why proper materials and inspection are important: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=55930
    There are very specific compositions of material that are acceptable by mil standards. This importance of having the correct material is compounded when the barrel is inspected (this is explained in detail in the thread above) Because if the proper material isn't used the barrel absolutely will not meet the acceptance criteria for HPT and MP inspection.

    Stainless barrels are typically more accurate because of the precision of the bore. Granted, standard barrels are made with the same precision, the difference is the addition of the chrome lining witch is very difficult to apply in a uniform coating. I'm not an accuracy nut and I don't ever see myself getting a stainless barrel, again it comes down to what you want the rifle to do.

    Several people will tell you that you're better off training with what you have rather than spending time, money and mental anguish on a particular brand of rifle. The first AR i bought was a BM. It was nice and never gave me any trouble but after perusing these forums a bit, I wouldn't trust my life to it. Also with the very real possibility of further firearm legislation, I want to be set with what I have and be ready for anything. I'm 20 years old so who knows what kind of socialistic hell I could see in my lifetime. For these reasons, BCM/Noveske/Daniel Defense are my go-to companies.

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