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    With my dad, I lied my hindquarters off, collected up every picture of KABOOMed ARs I could find, and labeled them DPMS, Bushy, Oly, etc. Being a former Naval Aviaitor and Trade School graduate (what I call the Naval Academy), I figured the chances he'd dirty his hands backchecking my work on a par with me getting kicked to death by a mule.

    Parents told every single one of us, over the course of growing up, some galactic-level falsehoods for no better reason than to get us to behave or otherwise stop doing stupid crap because we were either incapable or too dumb at the time to listen to reason.

    Turnabout is fair play.
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    how about you refer him to the "Better than Milspec" thread...

    never push a wrench...

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    That can be an impossible situation, definitely value the father son time above all else. If he is like my dad, this build process will take a while. Long enough to give him a quality part for Christmas, like a bcg so at least he doesn't screw that up.

    This reminds me of my dad and his ever elusive $500 gun show Colt 45 1911 that never seems to be there for him to buy after several gun shows...

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    Buy him a Noveske and let him shoot it while he is doing his build and by the time the build is done he will be so spoiled when the POS is done he will know the error of his ways
    "First gett'n shot, then gett'n married... baaaad habits"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    There is absolutely nothing you or we can do to change his mind. Some people refuse to listen to reason. So my advice would be to let him put his POS build together and when it takes a dump then just say "I told you so". Then ask him if he wants to do it right the next time.
    Took the words right outta my mouf.

    Nothing stings worse than to have a gun that's NOT running next to a guy who's gun is running. Let your properly-running gun speak for itself. I might even let him buy el-cheap-O mags just for kicks.

    I often encounter people at the range who gasp the following, "Are you shooting STEEL CASED AMMO in your AR?!?! Why would you do that?!?!?! You know steel cased ammo is bad for your gun, right?"

    I typically respond, "I shoot it because it's cheap and my gun eats it like Rosie O'Donnell eats her first meal of the day."

    "What makes you think steel cased ammo is bad for the gun? You read that on the errornet?"

    The answer to my question is usually "Yes." and "My gun keeps jamming with it."

    Then I burn through some more of it just to make them angry.

    He'll get plenty toasty when his falls offline and yours doesn't.

    I have a friend who is the EXACT same way. I love the guy and would take a bullet for him... but he did the same damn thing on his first AR. That damn gun was the most expensive paperweight he ever bought. It never did run right. He ended up buying an LMT. Now he's a happy camper. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSantoro View Post
    With my dad, I lied my hindquarters off, collected up every picture of KABOOMed ARs I could find, and labeled them DPMS, Bushy, Oly, etc. Being a former Naval Aviaitor and Trade School graduate (what I call the Naval Academy), I figured the chances he'd dirty his hands backchecking my work on a par with me getting kicked to death by a mule.

    Parents told every single one of us, over the course of growing up, some galactic-level falsehoods for no better reason than to get us to behave or otherwise stop doing stupid crap because we were either incapable or too dumb at the time to listen to reason.

    Turnabout is fair play.
    I laughed my ass off at this. SO TRUE! Great post, J.

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    OR let him build a POS then as a bonding event sign up for an EAG course, when his rifle goes down and he has to finish the course with one of Pat's "filthy fourteen" BCM's he'll see the error of his ways....

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    When it's all said and done,he's still your father. It's his money,his project,his vision. Let him build it the way he wants to. When it's done, take him to the range and make sure you buy him the crappiest ammo to use in his rig while you use some match grade ammo in yours. Guess what's going to happen? The accuracy/functioning gods will be smiling on him for that day. No matter how good your groups will be,his will be half that size. His rifle will run without a hiccup while you're doing all the clearing drills! He's going to have an ear to ear smile that will be priceless and will tell you, "I told you so". Because that's what fathers do. And you'll smile right back and tell him he was right all along. Because that's what good sons do.

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    Budget and quality brings one thing to mind, Spikes. I can't imagine the abomination he is wanting to build would be much cheaper than $800.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomhower View Post
    Budget and quality brings one thing to mind, Spikes. I can't imagine the abomination he is wanting to build would be much cheaper than $800.
    +1. If someone can't be swayed to pick up BCM, Colt, DD, [you know the drill by now], you can USUALLY convince them to drop ~$800 on a Spike's that will at least be superior to what they would have done on their own.

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