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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    The middies are nice and shoot a bit smoother.... but not worth dumping a perfectly good carbean over. You just build another gun and go from there.
    And there are a lot of variables from brand to brand. According to Walt Krulek ( IIRC ) , Armalite pioneered the midlength to save money on warranty work.
    I have seen pictures of the comparative wear on parts from a 20 inch standard rifle , a 16 inch middy , and a 14.5 (?) carbine. The pic's impressed me. I couldn't find a link now to save my life -- and who knows if it was honest test or barfcom recycled BS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerinTPA View Post
    Careful with that combo. Mixing steel and brass ammo in the same shooting session, without a thorough chamber scrubbing, is a recipe for getting a stuck case. You can get away with it with true 5.56 chambers, but not so much in 223 chambers, but it can still happen. Definitely don't do that in a class. It will be an exercise in frustration when stuck cases suddenly repeat over and over again.







    I mix brass and steel case all the time, and never had a single issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    I mix brass and steel case all the time, and never had a single issue.
    I used to have the same opinion, right up to when it happened to me a few times using a 6920 and an LMT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by constructor View Post
    The only 5.56 bolts I have broken were in carbine gas rifles, one was a Y/M chrome bolt that may have only lasted 1000 rounds the others lasted 4-5000 and they all broke at the cam pin hole. The DOD contractor produced bolts last much longer than the commercial grade bolts. After checking the hardness I do not believe the commercial bolts were Carpenter alloy #158(P6) or were hardened to mil spec. the bolts tested in the low 50s.

    This is what I'm wondering: is premature bolt breakage inherent to carbine length rifles, or just substandard bolts, or both?

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    It all comes down to personal 'preference' IMO. Really, this isn't really an issue for me although this issue of carbine vs Mid seems to be more of a concern as of late.

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    It really seams like mid lengths are becoming very fashionable these days, I've notice more and more people selling off their carbine/M4 uppers lately on other forums and more folks berating carbine length systems. As for me I have no preference. I just want at least one of each gas system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by control_z View Post
    It really seams like mid lengths are becoming very fashionable these days, I've notice more and more people selling off their carbine/M4 uppers lately on other forums and more folks berating carbine length systems. As for me I have no preference. I just want at least one of each gas system.
    That's the thing I'm wondering about. It's fashionable and it's currently the "in thing." Will we look back 5 years from now when everyone has gone on to the new "in thing" and wonder what we were thinking???
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    So who here thinks they will suddenly shoot better if they switch from a carbine length system to a mid length system?

    Who here thinks that they will easily wear out their carbine but not their middy?

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    The difference in wear between a mid-length and a carbine made by the same manufacturer or at least made to the same standards is so small as to be insignificant or inconsequential. Mid-lengths fit me better and are easier to shoot accurately, especially on follow up shots but I never bought into the claims regarding wear and never factored that into my buying decisions. Buy what fits you best and then shoot it as much as you can or as little as you want. You replace a few gas rings, some springs, a few bolts, a carrier, and then eventually a barrel. If you stick with the proven names it will take quite a while to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay_Cunningham View Post
    Who here thinks that they will easily wear out their carbine but not their middy?
    A mid length decreases dwell time. That CAN'T be a bad thing.

    It negates the use of a non standard heavier buffer, it may negate the need for extractor improvements, all in an effort to have reliable extraction/ejection.

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