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    Personal Security Systems kydex holsters

    UPDATE 17Jan2011: As promised I am updating my original review, as I have received the newer model of holster offered by Personal Security Systems. Review of the new model follows the original review.






    I was clued into Personal Security Systems' holsters by Beretta96fs here and it looked like it fit the bill for what I was looking for: a kydex pancake without the 3-month wait time Raven carries. I sent off an e-mail to Steve of PSS and awaited the arrival of my new holster.

    When the package arrived (a very short 2 weeks later) I tore into it like a kid on Christmas morning. I opted for a magazine holder to compliment the holster. Both are nicely contoured to fit the waistline, although if this were not the case it's easy enough to fix by means of careful application of a heat gun. The standard belt loops offered are 1.5"; I had requested 1.75" and they were substituted free of charge.

    Holster retention is in my mind perfect: not too loose where the loaded gun easily falls out, nor too tight where my pants come up with it during the draw. Having run a few drills at the range, I feel safe in that the gun won't be going anywhere until I make it.

    There is no doubt in my mind that this holster will last very long and hold up to much wear-and-tear; I've absolutely no fear that it may crack due to being too thin (as it is fairly stout material).

    Considering the pricing, fast turn around, and great service offered by Steve at PSS, I recommend these holsters to anyone wanting a fine product.








    Updated Review

    Since November when I first posted my review, Steve at PSS has received much feedback regarding the holsters they make. One of the more common complaints was the excess material at the muzzle-end of the holsters; in the new model the kydex is trimmed much closer to the muzzle thereby eliminating this excess material. For those of you who do like the extra material along the bottom edge, you're still in luck: keeping the material along the bottom is an option.

    The new model is on the left


    As can be seen in the photo, the molding with the new holsters is much more (for lack of a better word) detailed. This is due to two things. First, the kydex used in my holster is 0.06" while the older made use of 0.08". Steve has said he uses the thinner on his personal set up (as well as the backing for colored pieces) and has had no issue with it in terms of strength and longevity. The thickness of kydex used is yet another option the customer can make while placing an order. Secondly, I'm told the equipment in use at PSS has gone through a renovation of sorts. They are now using a much more heavy press that allows for a closer mold to the model, which in and of itself serves two purposes as I see it: aesthetics and retention.

    With the closer mold more material dips into the trigger guard, thereby increasing the retention. The retention with this new holster is much more strong than that of my original. That's not to say I found the retention lacking with my original; quite the opposite, in fact. With this new holster however, a deliberate and solid motion is necessary to remove the firearm. Your gun sure as hell won't be going anywhere until you make it.

    Frankly I didn't know what I was missing with my older holster until the new one arrived. The body-side of the holster is more relieved which aids in attaining proper grip during the draw. While there is still a sweat-guard along the slide (in contrast to Raven Concealment's 'Magpul cut') I have no issue in gripping my Glock properly under both static drills and while moving.



    Part of the material removed uncovers the magazine release. While I don't feel that having this exposed presents a problem, it is a change from the older model.

    The top edge of the holster is cut in such a way that it does not rub the middle finger while gripping the firearm. While I had no issue with rubbing with my old holster, the new model has slightly more material removed to further eliminate this from happening.



    The last of the major improvements is the hardware used. The screws themselves have a larger and rounded head, and from my as-of-yet-limited experience messing around with this setup, are snag free. Sandwiched between the holster body and belt loops is a thin rubber washer. From what I can tell this serves to help eliminate squeaking caused by the rubbing of the kydex rivets, as well as provide enough resistance to help keep the screws from backing out. A little threadlocker never hurt, however (and is indeed suggested on the handling and care sheet included in the shipping package).



    All in all, I think the improvements offered by the new model of Personal Security Systems kydex holster work great. The final product is no-nonsense, and in my eye leaves little room for further improvement.


    Disclosure Statement: In the interest of full-disclosure, I received the new & updated holster as a gift from Steve and his staff at Personal Security Systems as a token of gratitude for the business generated by my original review here at M4Carbine.net
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    A buddy of mine stumbled on to this company on S&W forum and is waiting for some T&E gear. He will be letting me have a whack at whatever he receives to provide feedback for the maker. Not sure when it will come or what he is sending but I will report back.

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    Thanks, for the info. Looks nice.
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    All P2S gear, from what I've seen is top notch. I plan on buying a Histati-1 Plate carrier in the future.
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    Just talked with Steve, who helped me to come up with a holster and mag carrier that would suit my needs. Very easy to deal with, so I went ahead and ordered one from him, great delivery time quoted also.
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    Looks a lot like Raven...

    Did they just copy it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidevolk View Post
    Looks a lot like Raven...

    Did they just copy it?
    I've made my own and it is hard not to look like Raven stuff. That said, I see differences just at first glance. It is after you make your own that you start to appreciate the little things that go into making good kydex. It takes awhile to be fluent in the Raven dialect of Kydexx. I'm barely conversant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidevolk View Post
    Looks a lot like Raven...

    Did they just copy it?
    here we go again...

    if they copied raven, then every polymer pistol is a copy of the HK P9 or the glock 17.

    and noveske is just a copy of bushmaster.

    I think most of us here can understand that there's a lot more to making a decent holster than slapping a couple pieces of kydex together.

    raven has arguably invented the standard, and they make a very nice holster. Raven is also a long wait, and may not be as willing to customize as some smaller makers.
    for the "raven style" holster to evolve, more people will be getting into the game, and we'll all be rewarded with shorter wait times, better quality, better features, and lower prices. Capitalism at work.

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    As simple as the basic kydex holster design is, there's bound to be instances where it appears one company copied another. Some of the examples skyugo provided, while hyperbole, do a fair job of explaining how certain ideas are picked up and run with.

    As I stated in the OP, I knew I wanted a kydex pancake holster. Frankly I didn't care who made it. Raven is undoubtedly the niche benchmark, having been around for years and producing thousands of holsters. Again, as I already stated, the long wait on a Raven holster turned me off to them.

    I wanted the holster right then and there; PSS was very easy to work with (especially considering I ordered before their website was up and running) and Steve quoted me an ETA on the order of 2 weeks. Do I think opting for one of his holsters instead of Raven's sacrificed quality? Not in the least! While my holster doesn't have as fine molding detail as other companies (ie. Raven, Kaluban Cloak) and therefore look as aesthetically pleasing, the important issue is that the holster serves its purpose, and very well.

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    I though Bushmaster could copy Colt because the patents had expired? (Same with 1911, etc.) or is it just an open mil-spec standard?

    I'm hearing "it's hard not to copy Raven when you're copying Raven" because they paved the way and now everyone can see how they worked with Kydex.

    Though you make a valid point with M&P/H&K/Kahr all copying Polymer pistol designs. I guess its just common business practice.

    It just felt wrong to me on first glance. You're not inventing something new, just trying to ride on someone else's success. As far as I can tell the only reason to go with these guys is lack of wait time compared to Raven? Again, the problem they're solving wouldn't even exist if there wasn't Raven...

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