sig issues corrected

[carnage0014]

quick question, Was looking into buying a p229 but have been concerned by what I have read in older post. Does anyone one know if the QC issues have been worked out at sig if not I may look into purchasing a p30. I really like though how the p229 feels, most people said that there were no issues with the plain jane models it's when you get into the bling models where problems where.

[Hmac]

I've had a P229 for 15 years. It's had many thousands of rounds through it in all kinds of weather and has been utterly reliable since the first time I pulled the trigger. I hate that the line's quality has been called into question, but I guess the reasons are valid. Having said that, the P229 has been a reliable Sig workhorse for almost two decades. The manufacturing, parts, design, assembly have long been worked out. I might hesitate to get one of the new Sig designs but I'd be a lot less hesitant about that particular model.

[Entropy]

The P229 has been one of the more solid Sig designs over the years. Yes, there have been some QC problems lately, but Sig is getting them corrected. You still got lemons with the older guns, but they were few and far between. With newer Sigs, you have some more lemons on average. However, Sig has very good customer service, and if you have any problems they tend to address them quickly. Most of the time, you'll get a good gun.

All that being said, if I had to choose between a new P229 and a new P30......I'd go with the P30 based on the confidence I have in H&K's manufacturing practices. If you want a new P229 though, get the plain Jane model.

If you want to try and locate an older Sig P229 that was under the previous CEO(better quality), look for one that doesn't have any light rails, and has the company name "Sigarms" on it.....not "Sig Sauer". Here's an example of an older P229 in .40S&W:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/905578454...WB_holste.htm#

Also notice that the take down lever on this older gun is different than the newer guns. Just another clue to help you piece together which guns are older and which are newer.

[Julian]

I ordered some parts, srt trigger set, in Sept 2009. An LE order. I ordered four. In Dec. 2009 I got four safety bars and no sears. In May I got four decocker levers that I didn't order. Now it's Nov. 2010 and still no SRT sears. I haven't sent the $20 for the safety bars as they are of no use without the sears.
I'm just going to wait and see how long it takes to get the parts, if I ever do. I will return the safety bars in time, with the decocker levers.
Never used to be that way, but it is what it is I guess.

[kmrtnsn]

My wife has a P228 that was issued to her in 1999, well over 20K rounds and last month just got its first re-spring, inspection, and tune-up with a new set of night sights. I have a P229 DAO that I bought in 1999, it has about 10K rounds and runs like a sewing machine. I am on my second P229 DAK issued in the past 18 months, it being a replacement for the first. I recommend that you avoid current production SIGs.

[sundance435]

quick question, Was looking into buying a p229 but have been concerned by what I have read in older post. Does anyone one know if the QC issues have been worked out at sig if not I may look into purchasing a p30. I really like though how the p229 feels, most people said that there were no issues with the plain jane models it's when you get into the bling models where problems where.

Unless someone can chime in with inside information that would imply otherwise, then I doubt there is any real difference between the "plain jane" models and the "bling" models, as far as quality and personal inspection goes. In fact, I would say that if anything, the "bling" models would get more attention.

I am wary of any company that has a new model seemingly every week/month.

[gtmtnbiker98]

I would personally look elsewhere for a new acquisition. Sig today is not Sig of yesterday. Too many other options to consider, unless of course, you have to have a P229. In that case, caveat emptor.

[Entropy]

Unless someone can chime in with inside information that would imply otherwise, then I doubt there is any real difference between the "plain jane" models and the "bling" models, as far as quality and personal inspection goes. In fact, I would say that if anything, the "bling" models would get more attention.

I am wary of any company that has a new model seemingly every week/month.

US based Sig Sauer under Ron Cohen is making more money than they used to, but it is coming at a high price for the future. They are losing more and more law enforcement contracts due to faulty parts, reputation, and not holding up in procurement competitions. Their new showcase pistol, the P250, has been an unreliable abomination that failed ATF's testing VERY badly. The current Sig Sauer is still living off of the 2004 DHS contract in which Sigarms made a quality gun that kicked the competition's butt. If DHS can break away from the old contract when their guns wear out, perhaps they can dump Sig and get something better.

Apparently, the "bling" models make Sig more money than the plain jane models. Reason being, hard users want plain jane models and those users are smart enough to realize that the golden age of Sig is gone and they will choose other options. Those who buy the bling models are generally not hard users, and will not punish the gun to expose its manufacturing problems. I have personally seen just as many problems with the elite models and other more blingy models as I have with the newer plain jane models.

The only reason that I continue to use Sigs all the time is because I am required to do so as my duty pistol. However, I choose to only use older Sigs manufactured under Sigarms which have served me well. My hope though is that as our guns wear out and we are forced to either buy new Sigs, or go to something else......that we will go to something else like Glock, S&W M&P, or H&K.

[jsbcody]

US based Sig Sauer under Ron Cohen is making more money than they used to, but it is coming at a high price for the future. They are losing more and more law enforcement contracts due to faulty parts, reputation, and not holding up in procurement competitions. Their new showcase pistol, the P250, has been an unreliable abomination that failed ATF's testing VERY badly. The current Sig Sauer is still living off of the 2004 DHS contract in which Sigarms made a quality gun that kicked the competition's butt. If DHS can break away from the old contract when their guns wear out, perhaps they can dump Sig and get something better.

Apparently, the "bling" models make Sig more money than the plain jane models. Reason being, hard users want plain jane models and those users are smart enough to realize that the golden age of Sig is gone and they will choose other options. Those who buy the bling models are generally not hard users, and will not punish the gun to expose its manufacturing problems. I have personally seen just as many problems with the elite models and other more blingy models as I have with the newer plain jane models.

The only reason that I continue to use Sigs all the time is because I am required to do so as my duty pistol. However, I choose to only use older Sigs manufactured under Sigarms which have served me well. My hope though is that as our guns wear out and we are forced to either buy new Sigs, or go to something else......that we will go to something else like Glock, S&W M&P, or H&K.

Yep. We ordered 3 new P229s through our local LE Rep. Here is what we got:

1. Pistol #1; takedown lever broke in half the very first time we were fieldstrapping the pistol. Quite literally right out of the box.
2. Pistol #2; Had the plastic recoil guide......but NO recoil spring. Excellent Quality Control at the factory and by local LE REP who said he personnally inspects every pistol.
3. Pistol #3; Everything fine....except the rear night sights had fallen off. Apparently the grove in frame was out of spec and too large. You could slide the nights sights in and very gently tap them once with a finger to knock then out and off.

All three pistols went back. The Chief and I had a nice long conference call with local LE REP and his regional boss.

The more I see of SIG's current product, the more I like my 10 year old P229.

[Entropy]

Yep. We ordered 3 new P229s through our local LE Rep. Here is what we got:

1. Pistol #1; takedown lever broke in half the very first time we were fieldstrapping the pistol. Quite literally right out of the box.
2. Pistol #2; Had the plastic recoil guide......but NO recoil spring. Excellent Quality Control at the factory and by local LE REP who said he personnally inspects every pistol.
3. Pistol #3; Everything fine....except the rear night sights had fallen off. Apparently the grove in frame was out of spec and too large. You could slide the nights sights in and very gently tap them once with a finger to knock then out and off.

All three pistols went back. The Chief and I had a nice long conference call with local LE REP and his regional boss.

The more I see of SIG's current product, the more I like my 10 year old P229.

I'd try to push for a new pistol for your agency, and have those that want to use Sigs grandfather in their old pistols.