Anyone Test a Variety of Snubnose Ammo in 4-Ply Denim?

[147 Grain]

Love to see 4-Ply Denim tests in gel on the following self defense loads that I believe might lead the pack for 2" snubnose revolvers:

1. Buffalo Bore's Short Barrel Standard Pressure 158-gr. Lead Wadcutter HP (Item #20C) at 850 fps in 2" snubnose.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_detail&p=110
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_images&p=110

2. Buffalo Bore's Short Barrel Standard Pressure 150-gr. Hardcast Wadcutter (Item #20D) at 868 fps in 2" snubnose.
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_detail&p=111
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_images&p=111

3. Speer Short Barrel 135-gr. +P Gold Dot (Item #23921) at 860 fps in 2" snubnose.
http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullet_tests.htm
http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/short_brl.aspx
http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics...x?loadNo=23921

4. Winchester Supreme Elite 130-gr. Bonded (Item #S38PDB) at about 850 fps in 2" snubnose. http://www.winchester.com/Products/h...es/S38PDB.aspx

5. Corbon 110-gr. +P Solid Copper DPX (Item #DPX38110-20) at about 925 fps in 2" snubnose.
http://www.shopcorbon.com/Self-Defen...20/200/Product

[DBR]

Try here for info on some loads:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/38%20Special.html

His standards have improved over time and info is interesting at least.

[tpd223]

Doc has tested both the Gold Dot and DPX loads extensively.

The BB wadcutter is what it is, being full speed and hard cast I'd guess 20+" of gel.



Have you read this?;

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19914


There is a bunch more around here if you do a search.

[TiroFijo]

I would love to see independent pressure data for Buffalo Bore loads, performed according to SAAMI standards. I wrote to them regarding this, and no replay... not all USA manufacturer's are members of SAAMI (nor CIP, of course) and strict compliance with their standards is largely optative, so I tend to take with a grain of salt manufacturers that can extract 100+ fps more than corporate giants with much greater technological resources.

Not saying their loads are dangerous (they're not), we all know modern revolvers are very strong, specially steel ones.

[Jake'sDad]

I would love to see independent pressure data for Buffalo Bore loads, performed according to SAAMI standards. I wrote to them regarding this, and no replay... not all USA manufacturer's are members of SAAMI (nor CIP, of course) and strict compliance with their standards is largely optative, so I tend to take with a grain of salt manufacturers that can extract 100+ fps more than corporate giants with much greater technological resources.

I've wondered the exact same thing.

[7 RING]

I had the opportunity to shoot some Speer Gold Dot +P 135g .38 Spl out of my old J-Frame airweight S&W about two years ago and I was impressed. It went 12" into bare ballistic gelatin and opened up nicely. I fired 10 rounds inside a 5-1/2" group at 25 yards, which is better accuracy than groups with other rounds I have fired over the years. The only issue I had was that the group was several inches low and several inches to the left of point of aim at 25 yards. I had to file material from the top and right side of the front sight until it shot POI=POA at 25 yards.

I bought my wife a new S&W BG38 for her birthday last year and the Speer Gold Dot ammunition shot POI=POA at 25 yards without any iron sight modification. I zeroed the laser at 15 yards with this ammunition and I was impressed at how accurate the round was.

[481]

The BB wadcutter is what it is, being full speed and hard cast I'd guess 20+" of gel.

Not a bad guess.

MacPherson's predictive model says it'll go a fraction of an inch over twenty-three inches and produce a little more than 39 grams of permanent wound cavity mass over its total penetration depth.

[7 RING]

For anyone carrying a J Frame this is worth revisiting.