Hornady 75gr Traning Ammo(9760EL) as a defensive round?

[jwperry]

I'm coming down to my 1k rounds of 62gr ammo, so I thought maybe I should upgrade my ammunition stockpile as well as my defensive cartridges weight. Now my thought process is leaning a lot on cost, as 75-77gr ammo is considerably more expensive than 62gr ammo. Now if I start using the Hornady 9760EL) as my 'do all' round, am I putting myself at a disadvantage for home defense?

Should I stay with using M855 for training and Federal LE223T3 for home defense?

Thanks for any help with this..

[Belmont31R]

I would not use a steel case round for home defense.



You can buy whatever else to plink with, and a few mags full of quality rounds.

[jwperry]

I don't get a lot of quality training time, so most of my 'training' time is focused on accuracy. So for me, switching between different weights really throws off POA/POI for when I want to use different ammunition.

If that makes any sense?

ETA: is there a quality defensive round that has the same or close (under 200yd) POA/POI as the Hornady training round?

[Altair]

I don't get a lot of quality training time, so most of my 'training' time is focused on accuracy. So for me, switching between different weights really throws off POA/POI for when I want to use different ammunition.

If that makes any sense?

ETA: is there a quality defensive round that has the same or close (under 200yd) POA/POI as the Hornady training round?

I thought the point to the 75gr training round was to provide a low cost practice round with the same POA/POI as the 75gr TAP round. If so, the answer would be 75gr TAP.

[Entropy]

I thought the point to the 75gr training round was to provide a low cost practice round with the same POA/POI as the 75gr TAP round. If so, the answer would be 75gr TAP.

Exactly.

The 75gr training bullet is a slightly older OTM design which isn't quite as good as the regular 75gr TAP. The training load uses a cheaper powder which isn't as accurate, isn't as powerful, and it has more muzzle flash(not a problem with a Vortex/Blackout).

That being said, I've never had a problem with this ammo. I've actually had more problems with Lake City M193 than I have Hornady's steel cased stuff. In that context, it would probably be a better defensive cartridge than M193......and the 75gr OTM should have better terminal effects. You might consider putting 500-1000rds through your AR first and see how confident you are with it.

As other's with more experience than I have said, "12-gauge buckshot is without a doubt the superior cartridge for home defense".

[jwperry]

Thanks for the input guys. Not really what my wallet was hoping to hear, but it is what it is.

As other's with more experience than I have said, "12-gauge buckshot is without a doubt the superior cartridge for home defense".

I had a pair of Mossbergs for anything that goes bump in the night, but I travel a lot for work and my fiance is scared of shotguns; her family set her up for failure turkey hunting before I could ever get her near a shotty. She doesn't mind ARs though.

[_rab_]

Well, you really can't say that a shotgun with buckshot is 'better' as it depends on the exact situation. I'll quote Doc.

"In an indoors static defensive role against a single violent assailant who was advancing on me, a 12 ga. shotgun would be my first choice. However, if there are multiple criminals assaulting me or in a time of domestic unrest and upheaval with potentially large crowds of hostile individuals roaming about, or in situations that would require movement outdoors, then I would far prefer a magazine fed shoulder fired weapon capable of greater range, faster reloading, and greater ammunition capacity than a shotgun." - Doc

I interpret that to mean, if you can sit behind a locked door with no other points of entry, a shotgun would be perfect to bunker down with. Otherwise, the benefits of a carbine are obvious.

Give the woman something to shoot, that she enjoys shooting, or she'll never do it.

Rab

[Entropy]

Well, you really can't say that a shotgun with buckshot is 'better' as it depends on the exact situation. I'll quote Doc.

"In an indoors static defensive role against a single violent assailant who was advancing on me, a 12 ga. shotgun would be my first choice. However, if there are multiple criminals assaulting me or in a time of domestic unrest and upheaval with potentially large crowds of hostile individuals roaming about, or in situations that would require movement outdoors, then I would far prefer a magazine fed shoulder fired weapon capable of greater range, faster reloading, and greater ammunition capacity than a shotgun." - Doc

I interpret that to mean, if you can sit behind a locked door with no other points of entry, a shotgun would be perfect to bunker down with. Otherwise, the benefits of a carbine are obvious.

Give the woman something to shoot, that she enjoys shooting, or she'll never do it.

Rab

Well yeah, if I could only have one gun for the widest variety of scenarios it would be an assault rifle of some kind.....hands down.

The shotgun is a niche, specialist weapon while the assault rifle is a jack of all trades. However, a specialist weapon in its niche environment is usually king of the battlefield. A basic used 870 will only cost you about $300 and it is a superior weapon for indoor use, or outdoor night time use. Combat ranges and target identification are greatly restricted indoors and at night allowing the shorter ranges of the shotgun to be ideal.

During the day and on patrol, I usually reach for the rifle. At night, my 870 always gets grabbed first.

[tpd223]

I have been wondering much the same thing as the OP.

A few years ago I bought a metric buttload of XM193 when it was $129 a case. This is/was my go-to training load, and also my "I am caught in North Hollywood/Mumbai/Beslan and I have run out of the good stuff" ammo.

I have kept an ammo can in my take-home car with XM193 for years since our ability to get ammo in an emergency from the job is non-existent.

Well, through the years my supply has dwindled, so I am looking for a fall back to the XM193, something that's not $300-500 a case, works for training, and would get me by if the SHTF and we need to reload.

I'd buy a case or two of Bonded, Gold Dot, or DPX but I have nowhere near the funds to pull that off, so the lesser ammo will have to do.