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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiffums View Post
    2 Stage is for a match/precision gun. Single stage is what 99% of people use for a "combat" weapon.



    AFAIK the M1903, M1 Garand, and M14 all used 2 stage triggers. The M16 was the 1st US general issue combat weapon with a single stage SA trigger function. Maybe the info I got is bad though. Do you know what triggers the 3 previous general issue guns used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucrt View Post
    But...
    ....if you decide to get a "better" trigger, whether it is single or two stage, be sure to get a trigger that is designed to be a "battle trigger" not an adjustable.

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    I guess you should write the Dept of the Army, and Dept of the Navy, and tell them the Geissele DMR trigger is not an acceptable trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    throwing another log on the fire.. not all "milspec" single stage triggers are equal. colt and LMT seem to make really consistent GI trigs.. i've had almost as consistent experience from CMT. armalite, bushmaster, and RRA trigs seem to be decent, but a little more hit-or-miss, and DPMS produces the single most inconsistent single stage trigger on the market. unfixable, a lot of the time.. i generally polish every trigger i install, but i've come across several DPMS triggers that couldn't be helped even with severe material work. this is why DPMS is basically the only LPK i simply will not use anymore.


    Try 10 different Colt triggers with the 3 round burst cam....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    not to mention the strong merits of learning marksmanship on a single stage. you'll be a better shooter for the rest of your life if you can master the 8lbs GI trig.

    and i wouldn't recommend a $200 trigger to anyone for their first build, "precision" gun or not.



    On the contrary many new shooters become frustrated thinking they are doing something wrong when its really the crappy equipment they are using. New shooters should have positive reinforcement, and not get discouraged by poor results. Most of the time they will think its them that sucks, and know nothing about poor accuracy because they are battling an 8-10lb stock trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    I hold the same idea about triggers as iron sights. Learn and master irons well and it will make you a much better marksman in the end no matter what type of optic you chose. Same concept with triggers. I also feel that you would be much better served if you learn to shoot the stock trigger well. You will be that much better of a shooter if/when you go to an aftermarket set up. I will add that IMO, not all stock type single stage triggers are the same. I will also say that some minor trigger work on a stock trigger can also work wonders for smoothing it out. This is best left to someone qualified to do such work.

    I have numerous triggers, a few mentioned in this thread. For myself, I get no advantage with my aftermarket triggers on a non-magnified carbine out to around 450yards that I can notice. I am not faster, nor am I more accurate. On a precision scoped weapon, accuracy with a good trigger is definitely noticeable.



    Why would learning irons 1st make one a better marksman? They are two completely different and independent sighting systems that bear little actual use functionality to one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    yep.. it wasn't that long ago that the standard, educated response to a new shooter would have been "get a quality GI trigger. learn the basics." and pretty much nothing else.

    i understand these newfangled triggers are the greatest thing since sliced gold bullion (about the same price, at least), but they're special purpose parts for special purpose rifles for special purpose purposes. this isn't an expensive-shit competition, it's marksmanship. you develop your ability in stages, or you won't have any. by going straight to a gucci 1/2 pound trigger, you're robbing yourself of the opportunity to learn marksmanship- of which, trigger control is paramount.

    or just drop 500% more on a gucci trigger


    [harsh, but true, criticism removed by moderator.]


    if my post is to be edited, i'd rather you just subtract, not add.



    I must have missed the 11th commandment that says one cannot learn trigger control with a 2 stage trigger.


    How on earth did soldiers learn those concepts with M1903's and M1's?

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    Belmont's last three replies are dead on...why the heck should you handicap yourself and your gun at any time...be it when first learning or once a veteran. Sounds to me like the majority of the people that call these high quality aftermarket triggers "gucci" triggers or whatever are simply folks who have either not tried one enough to understand the huge advantage they have or folks to cheap to pony up the cash that it takes to get one....then they could not grab the latest vfg or 1 million candle-watt weaponlight

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTacoma View Post
    Thanks a ton I will contact GRtactical and get something ironed out.
    IIRC, Grant has stated that he prefers a 2-stage trigger for a fighting gun. you should ask him about that...
    never push a wrench...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    Belmont's last three replies are dead on...why the heck should you handicap yourself and your gun at any time...be it when first learning or once a veteran. Sounds to me like the majority of the people that call these high quality aftermarket triggers "gucci" triggers or whatever are simply folks who have either not tried one enough to understand the huge advantage they have or folks to cheap to pony up the cash that it takes to get one....then they could not grab the latest vfg or 1 million candle-watt weaponlight



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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    AFAIK the M1903, M1 Garand, and M14 all used 2 stage triggers. The M16 was the 1st US general issue combat weapon with a single stage SA trigger function. Maybe the info I got is bad though. Do you know what triggers the 3 previous general issue guns used?
    You are correct. The 03 family of rifles, M1 Garand and M14 all have two stage triggers. I do not recall of the 30-40 Krag had a two stage trigger or no

    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    Advantages of a 2 stage is you know when the gun will go off. with a single stage its one flat pull. With a stage you can go..ok the first stage got taken up (pulled), and then if I pull anymore the gun is going to go off. Its much better for accuracy than a single stage...
    Wait, where did this come from? A shooter will know just when a good single stage trigger goes off just as they would a good two stage.

    If a two stage allows a shooter to be more accurate, why are benchrest rifles fitted with single stage triggers?

    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    Belmont's last three replies are dead on...why the heck should you handicap yourself and your gun at any time...be it when first learning or once a veteran. Sounds to me like the majority of the people that call these high quality aftermarket triggers "gucci" triggers or whatever are simply folks who have either not tried one enough to understand the huge advantage they have or folks to cheap to pony up the cash that it takes to get one....then they could not grab the latest vfg or 1 million candle-watt weaponlight
    As you say, there is no reason to be handicapped with a poor trigger. It is after all, the interface between the shooter and the rifle. But you don't have to spend a lot of money either. A good GI trigger with light stoning, grease and use will give you a good trigger for a service rifle. The advantage of "Gucci" triggers is that they are smoother from the start
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