AAR-Vickers Tactical 2-Day Level-1 Handgun Class - Nov 13-14, 2010 - Pittsburgh, PA

**orionz06** · 11-15-10, 23:33

A few pics of the first uploaded batch:

Everyone practices their weak hand dryfire, right….?

This is the best LAV pic out there, I know because I took it…

This may look silly, but Lenzy was kicking ass the whole time, getting extra reps at the movements that screw people up worked out well for him.

Turning sequence:

**d90king** · 11-16-10, 06:42

Looks like it was another great LAV class. Nice write up and pics...

**Jay Cunningham** · 11-16-10, 20:19

Once again it was great to get together with a bunch of like-minded guys and do some quality shooting under a master instructor. Beers afterward are always a fun bonus!

Thanks again to The LAV, and to Paul H. and Grey Group Training.

Hope to see many of the same faces in 2011 - we got a great schedule at Beaver Valley Rifle and Pistol Club!

**VA_Dinger** · 11-17-10, 09:18

I had a great time shooting the class. The class was full of great students who were eager to learn and fun to be around. The range was perfectly set up. That’s a great combination in any class. The Pittsburgh area is also very nice. I thoroughly enjoyed the entire trip.

A Steelers win would have been icing on the cake, but they got waxed. Even so, attending the game was fun as hell.

**orionz06** · 11-17-10, 10:20

Last round of pics done, there are a few stragglers, but nothing that is not shown already.

The Wookie, or Templar Jr as he was dubbed by LAV.

Walkback drill part II

Toly making out pretty far

Grant and the M&P with dual illumination RMR.

Industry Rep holding his own

LAV being the T-Rex and laying it down

Myself

Walkback some more…

**JohnN** · 11-19-10, 17:24

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

I ran my M&P 9mm with milled slide and a Trijicon RMR dual illuminated optic. No malfunctions or reliability issues (as usual) for me. What was cool about this class was that I was able to share/swap info about RDS’s on HG’s with Larry. He and I both noted that we believe you lose time on drawing and firing. It is also MUCH harder to hit small targets out past say 30-35yds. Another place that I noticed a significant learning curve with them is in command fire ball and dummy drills. The dot shows the SLIGHTEST movement that you would never even notice with iron sights. This of course is good and bad. If you are used to not having any issues with command fire ball and dummy drills and then have some, you start getting pissed at yourself. The good is that it will remove the slightest HINT of a flinch. The other thing about running a RDS is that it causes you to deal better with is your wobble zone. It is much more pronounced with a RDS and forces you to embrace it even more. So while the RDS causes you to lose some time on draw and fire drills, you basically OWN moving and shooting or shooting at a moving target. Since no one stands still in a gun fight, I accept the down sides of the RDS.
C4

Did the size of the dot make it more difficult to get hits at 35 yds.?

**bleaman225** · 11-19-10, 22:45

Originally Posted by JohnN

Did the size of the dot make it more difficult to get hits at 35 yds.?

I'm not Grant but I did try out his M&P9 at the 35yd line.
And to answer your question, yes the dot completely covered the 6" steel plate. I only took two shots with it so I can't really tell you much more than that. But when I lined up the shot, I just placed the dot over the whole plate and squeezed. I missed both times

(I don't recall which size dot his dual illum RMR had)

**C4IGrant** · 11-20-10, 08:11

Originally Posted by JohnN

Did the size of the dot make it more difficult to get hits at 35 yds.?

For sure. I probably could have it hit with irons.

I did shoot Vickers Glock with the LED RMR and managed to hit the circle one time from about 40yds.

C4