View Poll Results: Best Hard Use 5.56

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  • KAC SR15 E3

    113 53.30%
  • Noveske Light Carbine LO PRO (chrome lined barrel)

    64 30.19%
  • SCAR 16

    35 16.51%
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Thread: Best AR

  1. #71
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    I have experience with the three you listed though I don't own the Noveske. I do have a Noveske lower I use often, but that doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.

    The SCAR is a great rifle. My main reason for buying it was just to see what it was all about, to be honest. I didn't really think of it as my go-to gun or for classes, but I really enjoy shooting it. I do have to be honest here and the main reason I still have it is because of the premium I paid to get it and don't want to take such a hit.

    The SR15 is an extremely agile gun. It balances perfectly and is extremely quick on transitions compared to other 16" guns that I've owned. Some talk about the proprietary parts being a negative, but I don't see it as an issue. Buy an extra bolt if it's that much of a concern now so you don't have to wait a day or two for it to come in. With the SR15 CQB coming out next year, I don't see it being as much of a concern since it will be one more e3 gun in the group. This is just for me. I understand the concern if it's an issued gun.

    As for Noveske, I look at them more for an accurate rifle. Not saying they can't be as agile as an SR15, but if I was looking for more of a precision rifle, then I'd look at Noveske first. I hope that came out right.

    Of course, Bravo Company shouldn't be left out of this list, but since you didn't ask I won't go into it other than to say, for me, the KAC and BCM are the two choices for guns I'll use in carbine classes and as "hard use" guns.

    I shoot a couple thousand rounds a month. Things break now and then in the process. My only real issue about the SCAR (other than it being so tall and not having a longer hand guard) is that I can't walk into the local gun shop and buy a new stock, rail, bolt, etc., not to mention it's different than all my other rifles in 5.56. Having said that, I've yet to break a part on the SCAR, but I also haven't run it as hard as the others.

    I have nothing negative to say about the SR15, it's a tough gun and shoots great. Adding a BattleComp or Triple Tap makes it that much better.
    Last edited by jonconsiglio; 11-18-10 at 18:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Bananas View Post

    What I really need to ask myself here is. Is the modified KAC extractor more effective, and the tougher bolt more reliable and durable that it is worth the extra$. The efficacy of these parts, if they are really more reliable, will be difficult to determine. I mean, whose really done a big study/test on it. However, i don't doubt their longevity. If I only need one spare bolt for the life of the rifle, maybe it's not a bad deal.
    I think it is worth pointing out that III has posted that KAC has yet to see a broken E3 bolt from a customer's rifle. Yes, the E3 bolt is expensive, but with the 20K round warranty and that kind of track record, I'm hard pressed to call it overpriced. I must admit that initially I had the opinion that the proprietary bolt was a detriment to the SR15, but I'm now convinced that it is a true advance for the AR system.

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    My favotite rifle is a RRA midlength with a BCM BCG. Lightweight barrel and MOA accurate. I have fired thousands of rounds out of it without a single malfunction.

    I also have a BCM midlength, but the barrel is a bit heavier and still not as accurate as either of my RRA rifles with M193 and M855. Cost me in the neighborhood of $800 for the RRA. I spent the extra funds on ammo, optics, sling, etc and range time. Try and keep the rifle light. You don't gain much accuracy out of a heavier barrel until you get running hot. 3-4 mags quickly and the barrel will begin to warm and POI will drift. The heavier barrel absorbs and dissipates the heat better. How often will you throw 120 rounds downrange at once. Not easy from a semi-auto unless your one of those guys shooting at 25M. WTF???? If you miss a silhouette at 25M you need glasses bro. Learn some fundamentals before you start runnin' and gunnin'. You will appreciate body mechanics, position, breathing, individual posture, develop instinctive natural point of aim, etc. Makes the tactical exercises merely going through the motions until they are reflexes.

    I don't see the real improvements in these other types to ligitimize the extra costs involved. It's all about putting rounds on target and the AR-15 does this extremely well. The real improvements in the AR platform have come in accessories and optics/mounting options. That's what really matters.

    Oh well..let the bashing begin. No making fun of my avatar though. I love my M14s.

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    All things considered the SR-15 is the best all around AR

    There are other makes of ARs that people have shot "thousands of rounds" through with no problems. The same can be said of the SR-15.

    There are ARs more accurate than any SR-15. I don't see any posts claiming the SR-15 is not functionally accurate enough. No MOA or Sub-MOA chasing required.

    There are not many posts claiming other rifles have better handling qualities and standard features than the SR-15.

    Standard parts are certainly more readily available, but KAC parts are reasonably obtainable. There is no excuse for not having them if your life depends on your rifle.

    No manufacturer has addressed the main complaint about ARs as thoroughly as KAC. That complaint is reliability and durability. Can anyone really argue that the component improvements made by KAC are equaled in inherent strength, reliability, and durability by any other manufacturers components?

    All things considered (reliability, functional accuracy, handling, strength, durability) the SR-15 is the best all around AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nom de Forum View Post
    No manufacturer has addressed the main complaint about ARs as thoroughly as KAC. That complaint is reliability and durability. Can anyone really argue that the component improvements made by KAC are equaled in inherent strength, reliability, and durability by any other manufacturers components?

    you can make this statement about any manufacturer that claims they do some super mojo voodoo to their guns.

    you either buy KAC's theories or you dont. you apparently do- but don expect everyone else to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    im sure there are some KACs in use... look hard enough, and you'll find some special procurement of just about anything hiding in the shadows.

    however... how many colts are there in special operation's hands compared to however many KACs? just because some unit has a particular weapon in their arsenal doesn't mean jack shit, when we're presenting evidence to support our purchases. personally, i don't give a flying truck what "SpecOps" does or uses- not only am i not SpecOps, but we must remember that special operators have do not by default have any kind of expertise in weapon design or manufacture. how many combat arms soldiers have you heard say things to the effect that the AR platform in general is worthless, and that the AK is some kind of masterpiece of ballistic engineering, and similar such ignorant bullshit?
    This is true, as Id say at least 80% of the US military knows only what theyre told about a weapons system and nothing else. Many times what they are told is max effective distance, nomenclature, and function and thats all. By trusting a run of the mill service man or even sometimes an upper tier serviceman, you may be doing yourself a disservice. Of course this isnt always the case, as some are specialized in many weapons platforms (see Marine Gunner).

    Now, onto my original post. It was more poking fun at KAC for a comment in another thread. Although I do believe they have earned our respect for what they do in the Mil/LE world, I dont believe that they hold any special spot over other MFGs in the CIV market. Out of the choices on the board, Id take the Noveske. All 3 are great platforms, but Im very familiar with the DI AR, and Ive got spare sparts lying around in abundance now.

    I dont know how much I buy into the whole SHTF thing, but I do have about 10gal of water and 2 MRE boxes in the garage just in case. So, to me, I make my weapon choices off of commonly available platforms. AR15s, Glocks, and R700s. I wont go as far as to say that an SR15 would suck in the apocalypse because I wont be able to get a spare BCG off of a Horseman of the Damned's dead body, but I will say I like to be able to pick up spare parts at the local gun store.
    Last edited by LowSpeed_HighDrag; 11-20-10 at 12:23.

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    Once more around the dance floor.

    Not being a superstitious man prone to relying on magical thinking for explanations or comfort; I do not believe in anyone’s “super mojo voodoo”. KAC certainly appears to have gone beyond mere “theories” with their performance. The KAC system is not a marketing gimmick.

    Based on my own personal experience in the military, I cannot agree that "at least 80% of the US military knows only what they are told about a weapons system and nothing else". That is an under estimate, 95+% is more accurate. With many of the remaining 5% thinking they know things that just aren't so. However, it is surprising how many SpecOps personnel U.S. and foreign who have a choice frequently chose an AR platform to take in harms way. Accuracy, fire power, and acceptable reliability in a light weight package is very appealing when on the far side of nowhere.

    The whole SHTF theme I see frequently mentioned is given far more attention than it warrants in comparison to more realistic use scenarios, i.e. recreation and immediate short-term self-defense. The most probable SHTF reality is not “Mad Max” or “Red Dawn”, it is short-term disruption followed by recovery. If the SHTF to the point that massive extended firefights are occurring the initial survivors will find out what combat veterans know: there will be plenty of weapons and weapon parts available for pick-up from their recently departed owners. Entering any fight with the most accurate,reliable, and durable weapon is good life insurance. I believe KAC is selling somewhat better insurance than the rest. The other two options in the poll are certainly good enough, but the poll asks for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Bananas View Post
    Here's another interesting thread.
    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=53458&page=2
    I think the gas port issue has been addressed. I don't put wolf in any 5.56/.223 I won. One thing that caught my eye was No.6's post. He was having trouble with some Pmags fitting and functioning. He goes on to say
    "Contacted KAC, no response.Tried to buy a spare bolt and carrier assembly and other spares, again met with a lack of response from KAC. As in no response to several emails and phone calls."

    Every manufacturer is bound to have a problem or lemon. That isn't an issue to me. What is an issue is how they handle it. Kevein Boland has been very responsive to my questions. however, if this is how I would be treated by the main office in Florida, they can forget it! I won't spend $2K on any gun to be ignored when I have factory warranty issues! I can buy an HK for that.
    I wouldn't put too much stock in one complaint. I'm not saying that No. 6 misrepresented any thing about his experience, but for every story like that, there are 10 or 20 positive stories that go unreported. I have interacted with III, KevinB and KAC customer service on several occasions and have always been surprised at the way they went above and beyond to help me and I'm nobody special. I have never seen another company that provides the kind of service exemplified by KAC employees, and I'm not the only person to experience this. I can assure you that they stand behind their product and if you ever have an issue, contact Kevin or III and they will be very responsive. (Tell me another company that size where you have that kind of access to upper management, I can't think of one.)

    Regarding Pmags, I've never seen another complaint of compatability with the E3 lowers and the two I have owned both work fine with Pmags.

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    Why no love for the SCAR? At this time it hasn't even broke 17% of the vote. The SCAR has developed a strong reputation for accuracy and dependability. Yes, yes, we've heard of the extractor breakage at about 15,000 rounds. Not bad, really.

    The ergos are pretty darn good. Yes, I think a few points on the stock could be stronger. Are there weak points on the SCAR that's giving it such a low poll score or is that we are used to the AR15 platform and prefer what we know.
    Last edited by No Bananas; 12-04-10 at 06:01.
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