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    Do I need a better trigger?

    So I've have a LMT lower with their standard single stage trigger. It was ok, but it had a bit of grittiness, so I took it out and sent it to Bill Springfield based on all the praise I saw on different forums. This was a while ago, by the way. I've had it in now for about 9 months now. It's nice, smooth with no creep and a short reset. I had him take down to a 4lb pull and I'm sure it's probably right on. Dry firing it feels great. However, when I shoot it, sometimes it doubles once and a while, which really bothers me.

    Also, I've really wanted to start shooting in some competitions but I worry about the trigger. I'm sure I could send it back to have it fixed. But I've asking myself lately, should I just spend the money on a higher end trigger, like a Geissele's? I am kidding myself trying to "polish a turd, but it's still a turd"?

    After reading about the different models, it seems that S3G and SD3G, seem like the kind of triggers I would want. I've never tried a two stage trigger, but am open to suggestions if I should try the SSA. Are they worth the 200 or so bucks its going to cost? Anyone have experiences using both a high end trigger and a Springfield trigger?
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    Lightbulb Geissele SSA

    Quote Originally Posted by ack495 View Post
    So I've have a LMT lower with their standard single stage trigger. It was ok, but it had a bit of grittiness, so I took it out and sent it to Bill Springfield based on all the praise I saw on different forums. This was a while ago, by the way. I've had it in now for about 9 months now. It's nice, smooth with no creep and a short reset. I had him take down to a 4lb pull and I'm sure it's probably right on. Dry firing it feels great. However, when I shoot it, sometimes it doubles once and a while, which really bothers me.

    Also, I've really wanted to start shooting in some competitions but I worry about the trigger. I'm sure I could send it back to have it fixed. But I've asking myself lately, should I just spend the money on a higher end trigger, like a Geissele? I am kidding myself trying to "polish a turd, but it's still a turd"?

    After reading about the different models, it seems that S3G and SD3G, seem like the kind of triggers I would want. I've never tried a two stage trigger, but am open to suggestions if I should try the SSA. Are they worth the 200 or so bucks its going to cost? Anyone have experiences using both a high end trigger and a Springfield trigger?
    I'd try the Geissele SSA from personal experience. Two Stage 2.5# pull for the intial stage and 2# to complete the trigger pull; very positive trigger reset. If you choose to just pull through the trigger pull it's a 4.5#, CRISP trigger pull. Oh, did I mention that the final stage is bolt-gun-like? Yep. Reminds me of a Steyr SSG I once shot.

    I cannot speak of the latest iterations other than they're probably outstanding. The SSA will probably suffice for 99% of the things you're likely to do with your carbine. If you decide that you don't like it I'll buy it from you.

    I believe the SSA is worth the $170 I paid for them. Hell, I know they are worth it. It makes them a joy to play with.

    NO DOUBLING [which could conceivably cause you some severe issues from overjealous BATFE and prosecutor(s)]. Dump those internals and start over. It's not worth the hassle.

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    I would concur that the SSA is worth a shot. There's plenty of them available right now that have been gently used since lots of folks have upgraded to the SSA-E and 3gun models.

    There is a reason I've got 4 of the buggers installed right now.
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    Listen to what Mjolnir said. Either take your AR to a gunsmith before you shoot it again or replace the trigger group if you feel comfortable doing the work yourself. Besides being dangerous in a number of ways, a weapon that doubles can get you into more trouble than you can imagine. Be careful and good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    I'd try the Geissele SSA from personal experience. Two Stage 2.5# pull for the intial stage and 2# to complete the trigger pull; very positive trigger reset. If you choose to just pull through the trigger pull it's a 4.5#, CRISP trigger pull. Oh, did I mention that the final stage is bolt-gun-like? Yep. Reminds me of a Steyr SSG I once shot.

    I cannot speak of the latest iterations other than they're probably outstanding. The SSA will probably suffice for 99% of the things you're likely to do with your carbine. If you decide that you don't like it I'll buy it from you.

    I believe the SSA is worth the $170 I paid for them. Hell, I know they are worth it. It makes them a joy to play with.

    NO DOUBLING [which could conceivably cause you some severe issues from overjealous BATFE and prosecutor(s)]. Dump those internals and start over. It's not worth the hassle.
    Hehe.....don't call Mjolnir's bluff....he seems to be quite the SSA shark and indeed will prob. shark it off the EE from you

    You hear about BAD struggling to release a perfectly safe 45 degree selector due to legality and potential lawsuits yet the Bill Springfield jobs are notorious for esp. double firing which is absolutely scary unsafe and yet to my knowledge no problems or worries on that front.

    I personally feel that the SSA is the best hard use/duty/combat trigger for the AR platform and you will not find any trigger made with less reported malfunctions than the SSA. That said, whether you need a very clean breaking and predictable aftermarket trigger is up to you as you can obviously get by running a properly functioning G.I. spec trigger all be it gritty or unpredictable.

    So I would def. get that double firing Bill springfield job outta your lower and first make sure you get a dead nuts reliable trigger and than secondly decide how much of a premium you put on a high end trigger unit that not only brings you the reliability but the clean break and predictability as well.
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    Get the SSA you will like it alot. Very reliable trigger

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    Wilson Combat TTU is my choice - have one in each of my ARs.
    Precision drop-in trigger. Better feel than the G's IMO.

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    I don't know how many rounds were fired over that 9 months, but any trigger that doubles at all is no longer reliable. This is not meant as disrespect to Bill Springfield. That old trigger is simply worn out. The trigger job you bought may have accelerated its demise, especially if Springfield stoned through the case harden layer and did not re-harden the parts. Again, I'm not saying that's what Springfield did, but it is a common reason for shade tree trigger jobs to wear out prematurely.

    If you take a lot of "meat" off stock trigger components, it's not that troublesome to re case harden it. All it takes is an acetylene or mapp gas torch and a tin of Kasenit
    Last edited by kartoffel; 11-17-10 at 11:40. Reason: re case hardening

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    I have one of Bill's triggers in my gun. It would double as yours does. He offered to replace/repair it if I wanted.Bill explained how to fix this if I felt comfortable doing it. All that was necessary was to remove a small amount ( few file strokes ) of metal from the bottom of the disconnector where it sits on the back of the trigger. This allows the disconnector hook to pivot back farther to catch the hammer. Took me all of 10 mins to do and no problems in the 700 rds I've fired since then.

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    I contacted Bill Springfield a few years back about doing his work on my duty ARs trigger. All was well until I asked him to include a copy of his gunsmith credentials with my trigger so I could provide my Dept with his information should I use the weapon in a shooting. He told me he is self taught and therefore doesn't have any credentials or certifications. That was enough for me to stay away. The doubling trouble might have something to do with that.

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