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Thread: Do I need a better trigger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kartoffel View Post
    I don't know how many rounds were fired over that 9 months, but any trigger that doubles at all is no longer reliable. This is not meant as disrespect to Bill Springfield. That old trigger is simply worn out. The trigger job you bought may have accelerated its demise, especially if Springfield stoned through the case harden layer and did not re-harden the parts. Again, I'm not saying that's what Springfield did, but it is a common reason for shade tree trigger jobs to wear out prematurely.

    If you take a lot of "meat" off stock trigger components, it's not that troublesome to re case harden it. All it takes is an acetylene or mapp gas torch and a tin of Kasenit
    It's pretty obvious that is what he does. I have read of many Springfield trigger jobs doubling over on ARF. The parts are hardened for a reason, and you're correct, they were shade tree 'smithed and made unreliable and most of all highly illegal. A rifle that malfunctions and doubles is a machine gun according to the ATF and subject to stiff penalties under federal law.
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    bill springfield trigger jobs are pretty notoriously unreliable.. i don't know what all he does to them, but i suspect simply putting an OEM trigger spring back in there would be a good place to start.

    are you sure the weapon is actually doubling? or are you perhaps giving it a little unintentional bump-fire? light triggers with short resets can do this, and it can be hard to determine which it is. best way to tell is to simply firm up your trigger pull.. make sure you're following through with some decisiveness before you reset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .45fmjoe View Post
    ...and most of all highly illegal.
    I would not go so far as to say it's illegal. Certainly Mr. Springfield's triggers do not double when they're still fresh. If the trigger wears over time and eventually doubles, only then are you in hot water with the ATF.

    Really, unless the gunsmith advertises the doubling as a "feature" or makes some guarantee that the trigger fails to live up to, there's nothing illegal about his handiwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    bill springfield trigger jobs are pretty notoriously unreliable.. i don't know what all he does to them, but i suspect simply putting an OEM trigger spring back in there would be a good place to start.

    are you sure the weapon is actually doubling? or are you perhaps giving it a little unintentional bump-fire? light triggers with short resets can do this, and it can be hard to determine which it is. best way to tell is to simply firm up your trigger pull.. make sure you're following through with some decisiveness before you reset.
    I was starting to think the same thing myself, because the pull is light and reset is so short. It happens at least once or twice when I'm at the range. I don't shoot a lot when there, maybe 100-200 rounds. I let a co-worker use it during our annual qual last spring and it happened to him as well. Our firearms instructor on my department always stressed to me to hold the trigger back and let it out slowly, but maintaining contact with the trigger at all times. Maybe this has contributed to the problem.

    I probably will end up buying a SSA to try out, because the 4.5lb two stage, maybe better suited for my situation.

    Unfortunately, I feel that I have lost a bit of confidence in the trigger. I'm starting to think the short reset and light break are not right for me as a duty trigger. Hmm...maybe it will make a great competition trigger, after all. Thanks for all the suggestions.
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    Too many complaints about Springfields triggers for me to try one.
    I would get the SSA.
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    I've found nothing more impressive than my Timney 3lb, and it cost less than any other brand. I don't get all the whoopteedoo about Geiselle, tried their SSA and it was quite heavy. Seems to be the tacti-cool kool aid of the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkracka View Post
    I've found nothing more impressive than my Timney 3lb, and it cost less than any other brand. I don't get all the whoopteedoo about Geiselle, tried their SSA and it was quite heavy. Seems to be the tacti-cool kool aid of the moment.
    Perhaps you need to do less spouting off about Geissele triggers and do more reading about them.

    If you had done so you would see that the SSA has a 4.5# break which obviously feels heavier than a #3.5 timney. Unlike the gaming trigger that the timney was designed to be, the SSA is a combat trigger built for reliability, durability as well as having a clean and predictable break.

    If you want to woo'd by the G triggers feel wise than try a DMR or SD-E....then come back and talk about heavy kool aid G triggers.

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    The AR trigger lock time is super slow compared to others so yes run a different trigger if you want greater accuracy potental. The SSA is faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow65 View Post
    Too many complaints about Springfields triggers for me to try one.
    I would get the SSA.
    +1 for me also

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    Quote Originally Posted by kartoffel View Post
    I would not go so far as to say it's illegal. Certainly Mr. Springfield's triggers do not double when they're still fresh. If the trigger wears over time and eventually doubles, only then are you in hot water with the ATF.

    Really, unless the gunsmith advertises the doubling as a "feature" or makes some guarantee that the trigger fails to live up to, there's nothing illegal about his handiwork.
    It doesn't matter to those douche canoes, if it doubles intentionally or not it's a machine gun and I would bet they will submit charges to the U.S. Attorney.

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