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Thread: Trend away from quad rails to less-railed hand guards?

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    Hey guys, did you all know Spikes makes M16A4 clones?

    Pic for proof


    Its got a Spider as the logo on the lower receiver, so obviously the entire rifle is made by Spikes Tactical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    About a year ago, I switched out to the Troy TRX Extreme rail. This rail coupled with the VTAC version are my current favorites. Why? Because of their slender shape (can get my hands totally around it for more control). I also don't have to put rails on it (unless I want too).

    Will see more of these types of rails at Shot? Maybe.

    Grant, that's just such a gay looking gun... how can you be seen with such a thing? SWEET actually! If that's gay, I'm going bi!

    BTW, I'm a conservative, married, straight guy with an eye for beautiful women... BUT, I hold nothing against people who are gay and certainly won't insult them by using the term in a derogatory manner. I think doing so is a big red flag for immaturity (and insecurity).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    Grant, that's just such a gay looking gun... how can you be seen with such a thing? SWEET actually! If that's gay, I'm going bi!

    BTW, I'm a conservative, married, straight guy with an eye for beautiful women... BUT, I hold nothing against people who are gay and certainly won't insult them by using the term in a derogatory manner. I think doing so is a big red flag for immaturity (and insecurity).
    Whoa whoa whoa, you don't know my rules. You can't start calling every rifle with them gay.

    Tubular handguards (is that even the correct term) are totally cool if you have an SBR and a suppressor. Geez, don't you know anything?

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    I think the trend is going more towards free float. The guys on a lower budget or who are looking for simplicity are buying FF HGs such as VTAC w/out rails because they are quality tubes for a low price. But, I think the trend is about to sway back towards simplicity as more shooters start to attend classes and see that a 15lb rifle is more than a handful. The onset of the MOE HG has helped alot of people build a more simplistic AR15 as well.

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    I was never tempted to venture into heavy rifles laden down with stuff... and never did that with my shotguns either. And it doesn't look like I ever will. My first ARs (recent) each weigh around 6 lbs 12 oz. with Troy irons (no RDS). My needs are fairly minimal... light weight and simple, baby, sure sounds good to me!
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    As an AR newbie who bought a 16" carbine rifle, i'm still figuring out what works for me. I do have an OmegaX FSB rail that will be installed soon, because i know i want to be able to hold 'forward' of the FSB( burnt my hand enough to figure that one out) and i wanted to get a 'free float' rail. I also like having the factory FSB and didn't want to switch to a lowpro gas block. I also am not sure where i'm going to mount my light, so i figure the quad rail gives me plenty of options.

    So at this point with me, i figure it's worth the @$200 investment,even if all i will have is an Aimpoint micro, a BUIS, and a light, and if i don't like it i can always sell it and get back most of my money. Live and learn i guess.
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    Side note for MOE users

    For those of you who are stuck with either stock forearms or have a preference for MOE handguards there IS a free float option available to you!

    This company: http://www.compasslake.com/float_tube.htm

    If you send them your MOE hanguard they'll modify both it and the NM tube to the proper length for your weapon. Granted, if you have a pinned/permed muzzle device this will be contraindicated. But, for those of us that ,either have SBRs or 16"+ length barrels this is definitely a good option.

    I've recently installed 12 of these in carbine and midlength for a local PDs patrol weapons. Took about 30 minutes per weapon to do the swap and the officers were much happier. The big issue with patrol weapons in squad cars are those damned locking clamps! To change them to fit a quad rail equipped rifle would cost almost as much as a new clamp. So, as you can see, those officers are stuck unless they do a "work around" like the Compass Lake product.

    Didn't mean to hijack the thread or piss anyone off.. just trying to get this info out to folks that live and work within some seriously dumbassed departmental policies that were set 30 years ago.

    There is nothing harder to change than the bureaucratic mind!

    ETA: Cost is: $117.30 for the tube and $25.50 for the mods to your hand guards. Add the cost of the MOE's and it come to about the same price as a VTAC or Troy tube.

    Yes that's a bit pricier than some people would like ... BUT!!!!!.. it will make your weapon "squad car friendly" w/o modifying external profiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    I was never tempted to venture into heavy rifles laden down with stuff... and never did that with my shotguns either. And it doesn't look like I ever will. My first ARs (recent) each weigh around 6 lbs 12 oz. with Troy irons (no RDS). My needs are fairly minimal... light weight and simple, baby, sure sounds good to me!
    Yea I never saw the need to lean this way either. Back country hunting with a heavy lever action is enough to teach me that when I pick up a light, functional, reliable firearm the only weight I will ever add to it will be purely for function upgrades. Anything aesthetic that adds weight is absolutely pointless for my needs. While I understand the applications for a quad rail, I hate to say it but I feel like for 99.9% of the non-operator AR owning population, they are purely aesthetic considering the other options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac5.56 View Post
    While I understand the applications for a quad rail, I hate to say it but I feel like for 99.9% of the non-operator AR owning population, they are purely aesthetic considering the other options.
    Grant's photo just above shows how easy it is to run RDS, light, and BUIS all on the top rail. Keeps it simple, clean, and very light. That's the same layout Im using and will be complete when my Aimpoint H-1 arrives. Certainly not for everyone's needs, but definitely a great set-up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    About two years ago, I became interested in the VLTOR CASV as I could put rails where I wanted them. While this is a quality rail system, the rail over the receiver caused me some issues with optics choices.

    About a year ago, I switched out to the Troy TRX Extreme rail. This rail coupled with the VTAC version are my current favorites. Why? Because of their slender shape (can get my hands totally around it for more control). I also don't have to put rails on it (unless I want too).

    C4


    Grant, did you weld that sling swivel in there??

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