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Thread: Trend away from quad rails to less-railed hand guards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac5.56 View Post
    Yea, if that is the case, then I say you need a quad rail. Or if you want to put a grenade launcher on the bottom with an IR laser. There are legit military applications for a quad rail, but if you read my post, I stated: "for civilian use" in the first sentence.
    Indeed. I was referring to Eurodriver's post, not yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcvet View Post
    Gay. Really?
    Yes bro, Gay. You never referred to ugly/abnormal/anything you didn't like as "Gay" before? You're a Marine right?

    I know yesterday's Battalion PT was gay. Really, it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss Hogg View Post
    OK....I'm going out on a limb, since you're referring to personally owned rifles. So you're going to want IR lasers to be MOA accurate for the perp you have to shoot at 200 yards in a defensive nighttime scenario with NVGs on?
    Yes. Why would I spend $3000 on a laser just to slap it on a screwed on rail that may potentially shift?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mac5.56 View Post
    Yea, if that is the case, then I say you need a quad rail. Or if you want to put a grenade launcher on the bottom with an IR laser. There are legit military applications for a quad rail, but if you read my post, I stated: "for civilian use" in the first sentence.
    Civilian use has alot of different meanings. "Average plinker" or "weekend target shooter" may have been a better term. I have rifles for work use and civilian use. There is no difference between many, but some are solely cosmetic. Like my M16A4 and M4 clone but even my M4 clone has a laser.




    Either way, the laser thing is a moot point. 99% of shooters dont have or need them. However I still stick to my guns that the tubular handguards are "Gay". We all have our likes and dislikes. I do not like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magsz View Post
    Way to post an opinion backed by absolutely no factual information or data. Thanks for the contribution!

    Could you please elaborate in regards to WHY these rails arent good enough for you and you've developed a homophobic fear of an inanimate cylindrical object? Sounds like someones got a problem....

    To date i havent read of anyone having any issues with the rails holding zero. Nor have i read about anyone saying these rails flex more than their competition due to the lighter weight.
    I don't need to elaborate shit. I don't like them. They're ugly. That's enough for me and it should be enough for you. This thread is starting to get off topic...

    Edit: Lastly, are you honestly trying to say that a tube foreend with a screwed on rail is as stable and solid as a one-piece free float rail from a quality manufacturer (i.e. Larue/DD)? Especially with a 10oz laser on it? I cannot really answer your question until I know the answer to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    I don't need to elaborate shit. I don't like them. They're ugly. That's enough for me and it should be enough for you. This thread is starting to get off topic...

    Edit: Lastly, are you honestly trying to say that a tube foreend with a screwed on rail is as stable and solid as a one-piece free float rail from a quality manufacturer (i.e. Larue/DD)? Especially with a 10oz laser on it? I cannot really answer your question until I know the answer to this.
    That's an "interesting" setup on your Bushmaster. If it works for you, great. The fact that you say that you might have to use NVGs in a long-distance defensive scenario with pinpoint accuracy tells me all I need to know.

    Have you ever tried a tube based on function, not aesthetics?
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    My two cents. The regular ol' M4 I was issued, no rails, worked pretty well for me. I have two ARs now, one with a qual rail and one without, and as a range toy and property defense rifle, I much more prefer my non-railed rifle. To me it is a concept of 'less is more.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    I don't need to elaborate shit. I don't like them. They're ugly. That's enough for me and it should be enough for you. This thread is starting to get off topic...

    Edit: Lastly, are you honestly trying to say that a tube foreend with a screwed on rail is as stable and solid as a one-piece free float rail from a quality manufacturer (i.e. Larue/DD)? Especially with a 10oz laser on it? I cannot really answer your question until I know the answer to this.
    This is a technical forum. If you have nothing to contribute in the way of technical information than why post anything at all? Do you like to hear the sound of your own voice because thats the way you're coming across.

    IF the way in which the mount bolts to the barrel nut is solid, it doesnt matter if there are 3999 screws or one screw. The joint between said rail and the barrel nut is THE most important part in ANY free float rail. Materials and construction WILL play into the overall rigidity of the system but we arent looking at vastly inferior materials OR construction here going from the troy rails to say a DD rail.

    Im not entirely sure why you're bashing a troy free float rail for supposedly having a lack of rigidity when you have a three thousand dollar aiming designator on a non free floated setup for the purposes of what...nostalgia?

    Id call THAT gay...

    See how much that statement makes sense?

    IF someone can conclusively say that you're going to experience undue flex with a troy rail then perhaps for SOME civilians that are either forward mounting their optics or using lasers as supplementary aiming devices, may need to take heed. Ultimately this still needs to be supported with data and proven.

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    you call those tubular forearm "gay"? And you all have those expensive furnitures in your Bushmaster? Bushmaster...really?? And it shoots .233 Rem?? Nice.....

    Do you still have any space to hold on to your forearm??? Are all of them necessary for day to day patrol or civilian defense?



    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Yes bro, Gay. You never referred to ugly/abnormal/anything you didn't like as "Gay" before? You're a Marine right?

    I know yesterday's Battalion PT was gay. Really, it was.



    Yes. Why would I spend $3000 on a laser just to slap it on a screwed on rail that may potentially shift?



    Civilian use has alot of different meanings. "Average plinker" or "weekend target shooter" may have been a better term. I have rifles for work use and civilian use. There is no difference between many, but some are solely cosmetic. Like my M16A4 and M4 clone but even my M4 clone has a laser.




    Either way, the laser thing is a moot point. 99% of shooters dont have or need them. However I still stick to my guns that the tubular handguards are "Gay". We all have our likes and dislikes. I do not like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
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    Yes. Why would I spend $3000 on a laser just to slap it on a screwed on rail that may potentially shift?
    But you have that PEQ-15 on TOP of your rail system. The rails on the top of the VTAC extreme are part of the unit. They are not screwed onto the rail. Any of the screwed on sections would just be for a flashlight or vertical foregrip if we're using your M4 clone as an example.

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    Maybe I'm missing it, I just see an average, run of the mill, hetero AR. Then again I'm no expert on these things.

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    TROY TRX Battlerail is perfect in this scenario. The PEQ-15 can still be on top of a rail while getting all the benefits of a tubular rail system. Yes???



    Quote Originally Posted by PappyM3 View Post
    But you have that PEQ-15 on TOP of your rail system. The rails on the top of the VTAC extreme are part of the unit. They are not screwed onto the rail. Any of the screwed on sections would just be for a flashlight or vertical foregrip if we're using your M4 clone as an example.

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