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As a gunsmith I get to hear about "gay" this and "gay" that a lot from a lot of people (Usually young ones) in reference to varying components/accessories on and for the AR-15 platform.
I all boils down to personal preference.
Back on Topic: Yes there is a definite "trend" towards less is more solutions to free floating the AR-15. This is on almost all counts, in my experience with my customers, cost driven. I've been selling a lot of Troy/Vtac tubes lately as well as a lot of Midwests SS tubes. These have been going on "practicals" as well as hunters of varying barrel length.
That said.. my LEO sales recently have been either MOE or full quad rail builds. Again these are driven by departmental policy not common sense. (you know what I'm talking bout if you deal with this daily)
I personally think that the Troy/VTAC/MI tubes are fine for any level of use. If you assemble them properly and use locktite on the appropriate screws/bolts you shouldn't have any "shifting" of rail mounted items. Granted there are exceptions but in general this has worked for me.
I have long arms, so I like the extra space of a 12" rail to keep my support hand forward.
Wouldn't hesitate a moment to go with a MOE handguard setup, if there was one made like the DD rails with a cutout for a midlength FSB.
I'm sure I could get comfortable with just the MOE midlength (and I might, on a lightweight project), but cost isn't a huge factor in weighing MOE vs. DD Omega/Lite for me right now.
Indeed I do, and we may be talking about the same people.
Having said that, I've been considering picking up a VTAC or Troy handguard for my current SBR project. I'm still using the Troy rail that came with my M&P 15T. It works just fine, but I only use rail-estate on the top for a VTAC light mount and the front BUIS, and the bottom for a VFG. I use a small bit of rail towards the back of one of the sides for a sling mount; that's it. If I can get away with less rail, as a weight and comfort benefit, I'll do it.
For my full length 6920, like hammer man notes, I'm bound by policy. Works fine for my needs, though.
The advice above is worth exactly what you paid for it.
What I like about quad rails is the ability to tinker with whatever setup I want. Basically it gives me multiple options without many constraints. My present weapon is an all around do whatever weapon. If I were to have a dedicated use weapon then rail configuration may dictate a different setup. That decision will come with time and determined use.
"Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree
I agree they're a little on the ugly side but so am I. They work well for my application. I can not afford NVG's a laser/ir sight but would probably need a good rail for that. I like my DD Omega but I wanted an X300 at 12 O'Clock and the VTAC was light and priced right. I've also been leaning towards getting rid of my VFG's and only needed the rail in top.
Yes I have called things gay before. Never PT but I hinted towards it a few weeks ago when I heard my buddy from high school was doing Zumba with his Air Force unit in Astan. I told him not to let the locals see them.
"Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree
Wait, I'm supposed to shoot it? I thought this was all for looks!
I knew it, the very next posts would point out that snake on the side. Forget the other upgrades you can't see (like the big BCM billboard on the OTHER side, or the lower receiver's internals, or the receiver extension, or the barrel markings, or the rail, or that its an SBR lower and its easier to swap out the upper than register another lower as an SBR, but whatever. You guys know everything.)
When the hell did I ever say anything about needing to use NVGs and IR lasers in a long distance defensive scenario? It must have been about the same time you said you thought Bushmasters were more reliable than Colts.
I'll give you guys a hint
That's not a Spikes Tactical rifle.In case you still don't get it....that was a stripped lower from my very first AR15. I've replaced everything, but why am I explaining this to you guys? I'm the one who can afford $3000 lasers and choose to do with them what I like... You all can afford $300 "gay" rails and obviously do with them what you like. Its all personal preference.
Last edited by Eurodriver; 11-19-10 at 20:39.
Zumba? Really? Does the Air Force still do that bike PT or was that a myth all along?
If I was going to go for a super lightweight KISS build that didn't rely on plastic handguards, the tubes would be great. I just really don't like the looks of them.
I just knew it'd get pretty interesting to see the "hate" I'd receive when insulting whats "popular".
Last edited by Eurodriver; 11-19-10 at 18:49.
Opinions are one thing, everyone has them. To denigrate a product without saying why other than spouting off at the mouth so that your emotions are known is essentially worthless and serves no purpose other than to hear the sound of your own screaming.
Simple FACT.
Until proven otherwise, the troy rails WORK for a simplistic setup.
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