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Thread: Trend away from quad rails to less-railed hand guards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss Hogg View Post
    Indeed. I was referring to Eurodriver's post, not yours.
    I know you were, I was adding more to the conversation...
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    As a gunsmith I get to hear about "gay" this and "gay" that a lot from a lot of people (Usually young ones) in reference to varying components/accessories on and for the AR-15 platform.

    I all boils down to personal preference.

    Back on Topic: Yes there is a definite "trend" towards less is more solutions to free floating the AR-15. This is on almost all counts, in my experience with my customers, cost driven. I've been selling a lot of Troy/Vtac tubes lately as well as a lot of Midwests SS tubes. These have been going on "practicals" as well as hunters of varying barrel length.

    That said.. my LEO sales recently have been either MOE or full quad rail builds. Again these are driven by departmental policy not common sense. (you know what I'm talking bout if you deal with this daily)

    I personally think that the Troy/VTAC/MI tubes are fine for any level of use. If you assemble them properly and use locktite on the appropriate screws/bolts you shouldn't have any "shifting" of rail mounted items. Granted there are exceptions but in general this has worked for me.

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    I have long arms, so I like the extra space of a 12" rail to keep my support hand forward.

    Wouldn't hesitate a moment to go with a MOE handguard setup, if there was one made like the DD rails with a cutout for a midlength FSB.
    I'm sure I could get comfortable with just the MOE midlength (and I might, on a lightweight project), but cost isn't a huge factor in weighing MOE vs. DD Omega/Lite for me right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Hammer_Man View Post
    That said.. my LEO sales recently have been either MOE or full quad rail builds. Again these are driven by departmental policy not common sense. (you know what I'm talking bout if you deal with this daily)
    Indeed I do, and we may be talking about the same people.

    Having said that, I've been considering picking up a VTAC or Troy handguard for my current SBR project. I'm still using the Troy rail that came with my M&P 15T. It works just fine, but I only use rail-estate on the top for a VTAC light mount and the front BUIS, and the bottom for a VFG. I use a small bit of rail towards the back of one of the sides for a sling mount; that's it. If I can get away with less rail, as a weight and comfort benefit, I'll do it.
    For my full length 6920, like hammer man notes, I'm bound by policy. Works fine for my needs, though.
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    What I like about quad rails is the ability to tinker with whatever setup I want. Basically it gives me multiple options without many constraints. My present weapon is an all around do whatever weapon. If I were to have a dedicated use weapon then rail configuration may dictate a different setup. That decision will come with time and determined use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heartbreaker View Post


    Maybe I'm missing it, I just see an average, run of the mill, hetero AR. Then again I'm no expert on these things.
    You have me laughing my ass off. I needed that today. Thanks. Damn that is freaking funny.
    "Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree

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    I agree they're a little on the ugly side but so am I. They work well for my application. I can not afford NVG's a laser/ir sight but would probably need a good rail for that. I like my DD Omega but I wanted an X300 at 12 O'Clock and the VTAC was light and priced right. I've also been leaning towards getting rid of my VFG's and only needed the rail in top.

    Yes I have called things gay before. Never PT but I hinted towards it a few weeks ago when I heard my buddy from high school was doing Zumba with his Air Force unit in Astan. I told him not to let the locals see them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Yes bro, Gay. You never referred to ugly/abnormal/anything you didn't like as "Gay" before? You're a Marine right?

    I know yesterday's Battalion PT was gay. Really, it was.



    Yes. Why would I spend $3000 on a laser just to slap it on a screwed on rail that may potentially shift?



    Civilian use has alot of different meanings. "Average plinker" or "weekend target shooter" may have been a better term. I have rifles for work use and civilian use. There is no difference between many, but some are solely cosmetic. Like my M16A4 and M4 clone but even my M4 clone has a laser.




    Either way, the laser thing is a moot point. 99% of shooters dont have or need them. However I still stick to my guns that the tubular handguards are "Gay". We all have our likes and dislikes. I do not like them.
    "Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothdraw View Post
    you call those tubular forearm "gay"? And you all have those expensive furnitures in your Bushmaster? Bushmaster...really?? And it shoots .233 Rem?? Nice.....

    Do you still have any space to hold on to your forearm??? Are all of them necessary for day to day patrol or civilian defense?
    Wait, I'm supposed to shoot it? I thought this was all for looks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss Hogg View Post
    That's an "interesting" setup on your Bushmaster. If it works for you, great. The fact that you say that you might have to use NVGs in a long-distance defensive scenario with pinpoint accuracy tells me all I need to know.

    Have you ever tried a tube based on function, not aesthetics?
    I knew it, the very next posts would point out that snake on the side. Forget the other upgrades you can't see (like the big BCM billboard on the OTHER side, or the lower receiver's internals, or the receiver extension, or the barrel markings, or the rail, or that its an SBR lower and its easier to swap out the upper than register another lower as an SBR, but whatever. You guys know everything.)

    When the hell did I ever say anything about needing to use NVGs and IR lasers in a long distance defensive scenario? It must have been about the same time you said you thought Bushmasters were more reliable than Colts.

    I'll give you guys a hint


    That's not a Spikes Tactical rifle. In case you still don't get it....that was a stripped lower from my very first AR15. I've replaced everything, but why am I explaining this to you guys? I'm the one who can afford $3000 lasers and choose to do with them what I like... You all can afford $300 "gay" rails and obviously do with them what you like. Its all personal preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmcvet View Post
    I agree they're a little on the ugly side but so am I. They work well for my application. I can not afford NVG's a laser/ir sight but would probably need a good rail for that. I like my DD Omega but I wanted an X300 at 12 O'Clock and the VTAC was light and priced right. I've also been leaning towards getting rid of my VFG's and only needed the rail in top.

    Yes I have called things gay before. Never PT but I hinted towards it a few weeks ago when I heard my buddy from high school was doing Zumba with his Air Force unit in Astan. I told him not to let the locals see them.
    Zumba? Really? Does the Air Force still do that bike PT or was that a myth all along?

    If I was going to go for a super lightweight KISS build that didn't rely on plastic handguards, the tubes would be great. I just really don't like the looks of them.

    I just knew it'd get pretty interesting to see the "hate" I'd receive when insulting whats "popular".
    Last edited by Eurodriver; 11-19-10 at 18:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Zumba? Really? Does the Air Force still do that bike PT or was that a myth all along?

    If I was going to go for a super lightweight KISS build that didn't rely on plastic handguards, the tubes would be great. I just really don't like the looks of them.

    I just knew it'd get pretty interesting to see the "hate" I'd receive when insulting whats "popular".
    Opinions are one thing, everyone has them. To denigrate a product without saying why other than spouting off at the mouth so that your emotions are known is essentially worthless and serves no purpose other than to hear the sound of your own screaming.

    Simple FACT.

    Until proven otherwise, the troy rails WORK for a simplistic setup.

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