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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    Name calling, the true sign of high intelligence.

    Tell me again how and what I proved with an email confirmation from YHM? They get there bolts from stag? So what? Does that automatically mean that every company out there gets them from stag? Nope. Does that mean your statement is any more or less correct? Nope.

    The only thing I proved is that you don't know the difference between your opinion and a recognized fact, and that YHM bolts are sub-par and sourced from stag.
    Once again I said MOST not ALL

    STAG bolts come from...... OMG from the same place as the most treasured company on m4carbine.net gets thiers from.

    Also I gave my reasons for MY choice in a BCG its about the HP test and the mod said we can't discuss that and I'm cool with that, because my mind it made up on that issue and
    I have my own personal opinion on it.

    YHM is GTG
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSZM4 View Post
    What i do are my opinions when I state its fact it is a fact to me I don't care what you beleive. I guess your doing this for post count reasons not for adding tech info or recommendations.

    Fact YHM sells BCGs
    Fact YHM buys them like I was alluding to
    Fact YHM buys them from lead source like I said
    Fact YHM sells 158/8620 because its from a lead source that only makes them like that
    Fact YHM is doing what I said alot of manufactures do

    FACT you are for some reason looking for a fight in this not to help recommend to this OP
    FACT my first post about subcontracting and outsourcing was proven to be right later in this post by YOU

    FACT a lot of companies are not recommended even though they get thier parts from the same companies as recommended vendors/manufactures.

    What is wrong with you?
    I am so very obviously not looking for a fight; I am being very cordial whilst you call me names. I am trying to help the OP sift through the BS on this thread. There is quite a bit of it.

    -BS like MPI & HPT is not necesarry (Your Opinion, again not a fact.)

    -BS like YHM is GTG because stag is GTG? (Your opinion, again not a fact)

    The op was specifically interested in the testing of YHM bolts, which you didn't even touch on except to opine that those tests are not necessary (Opinion, again not a fact).

    YHM is middle tier to lower tier all the way; the proof is in the pudding, just go do the research. This site is a very good tool for that.

    This has gotten way off track and just convoluted as all hell.

    These are the real facts of this thread:

    Stag does not MPI or HPT test every single botl/BCG they source to YHM
    YHM sources them from Stag who uses 8260 steel and batch tests (Stag is a known lower-middle tier manufacturer)

    I am done here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSZM4 View Post
    Once again I said MOST not ALL

    STAG bolts come from...... OMG from the same place as the most treasured company on m4carbine.net gets thiers from.

    Also I gave my reasons for MY choice in a BCG its about the HP test and the mod said we can't discuss that and I'm cool with that, because my mind it made up on that issue and
    I have my own personal opinion on it.

    YHM is GTG
    You're not familiar with manufacturing are you? You do realize the company that purchases from the manufacturer specifies the quality of the part they want to purchase based upon the price they wish to sell their product at. Just in case you didn't know, one brand could be crap compared to another brand even if they came from the same factory. It all depends on the buyer's specifications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Thought of the day. Why buy a YHM BCG that hasn't been HP/MPI tested and inspected when you can get ones that have?
    You said we can't discuss that, didn't you?

    Why buy a YHM? Because like I said a lot of companies get they from the same sources so why not? Now thanks to that guy looking for a fight in this thread we know YHM gets them from STAG which turns out to be part of the same company as the choosen source for the most Beloved m4carbine.net vendor.

    Only reason not to at this point is if your looking only for HP test or something, but we cannot discuss this here per you.

    YHM is GTG

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    Quote Originally Posted by .45fmjoe View Post
    You're not familiar with manufacturing are you? You do realize the company that purchases from the manufacturer specifies the quality of the part they want to purchase based upon the price they wish to sell their product at. Just in case you didn't know, one brand could be crap compared to another brand even if they came from the same factory. It all depends on the buyer's specifications.

    Yes you are correct they can choose different grades but this is done with bolts and carriers in the form of tests.

    The way those two parts are made and the volume those 2 parts have to be made in to make them cheap enough they don't run 2 production lines. Having ordered from both STAG and their parent company I have never seen a differance.

    YHM is GTG on BCGs which is what we are talking about BCGs and the OP asked about YHM in general not just testing he said he hasn't heard anything about them now he has, your email played a big part in that.

    YHM uses STAG 158/8620 BCGs the only choice now is the testing and we cannot discuss that.

    I never said YHM is top tier I said that most companies buy parts from the same sources which was proven in your email at least in terms of what YHM does.

    Again I never said that testing is BS or unneeded for everyone, I said for me it is, lots of people post what is BS or uneeded to/for them, thats what forums are for.

    I didn't say YHM GTG is fact you your saying that. If i didn't say its a fact then its a ....... right opinion just like saying Vltor uppers are GTG that would be a.... opinion saying the MUR is a machined forging is a ...... fact, at least for now it used to be a machined billet.

    Read what I said the facts are before you post.

    Here is a thread with opinions and its even titled opinions and has a poll of opinions and its on the same page as this thread.
    http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=67100

    So opinions do exist on m4carbine.net there just hated in this thread I guess.

    Mods understand I didn't keep this going but i didn't back down when misquoted ether, and at the end of the day what I said was true and the OP and everyone that reads this knows more about YHM and knows they use the same source as many others on this site and that they don't need to be looked over as much in the future.

    The messed up thing here is I don't even use YHM so I'm helping a company that I don't even know if I like.

    But what i don't like is when people discredit companies like them for false reasons or when most of this shit is all the same.
    Last edited by DSZM4; 11-17-10 at 16:04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSZM4 View Post
    Once again I said MOST not ALL

    STAG bolts come from...... OMG from the same place as the most treasured company on m4carbine.net gets thiers from.
    Which company is this?



    C4

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Which company is this?



    C4
    I'm going out on a limb and I'm going to say he is talking about BCM since I posted one of Paul's manufacturers is, or at least was, CMT. I say this because one of my BCM bolts is marked CM and MPT. I also know my BCM bolt was made to the TDP and who made it is irrelevant as long as it was made to the TDP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Which company is this?



    C4
    I don't think its fair to state companies by name for the same reason I don't think its fair to discredit companies that buy the same parts ether.



    YES IT IS IRRELEVANT who cares where its from if you want a tested bolt buy it, if its made right. If non tested is okay then, YHM is okay if its made right and I bet it is since its coming from the same place as other companies source from.

    OMG is the point across yet??????

    Are we done with this little lesson in how a large part of the AR world is?
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    This thread is completely muddled with garbage. Dszm4, check yourself... discrediting qc tests is foolish. Like grant said, why buy one that is not hpi/mp tested when, for virtually the same price, you can buy one that is. Look at some of the lower tier companies... a lot of them are lower tier because they don't use or quit using qc procedures.
    Acta Non Verba

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    I have always recommended high end companies. Like I said they will do you right and your money right I already said that.

    If they were priced the same which they are not because you can always find deals. There are still reasons but we can't discuss them here. But since your asking and the mod himself I will be brief.

    I stated my reasons for not buying HPT bolts thats my opinion. As for MP I could care less but almost all MP bolts are HPT too and I don't happen to care for HPT so I don't go that route. The irony here is I run a LMT enhanced bolt which is HPT but I have no choice and its not a standard designed bolt which I'm okay with a HPT test on it.

    This is all moot because it's my opinion you don't have to do it yourself. I beleive its a valid opinion and while you may disagree its not like I'm saying you can shoot 204 out of a 223 or something crazy like that. I would think opinions would be wanted here if there not crazy or way off base.

    FACT is, a proof round is a extremly hot round and proof loads are not SAAMI spec and can be different from different manufactures. This may bug people like me, and I see nothing wrong with saying that.

    ALSO there are some people that don't want a test fired/used bolt I don't agree with this or care if there "used" but ithats their opinion not mine.
    Last edited by DSZM4; 11-17-10 at 16:36.

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