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    Hammon,

    Really!?? What is your point?

    I don't know where to start.

    US forces did fine with muzzle loaders and single shots for years, should we revert back to them?

    An ACOG, being magnified, had parallax.

    You obviously have no idea, I suggest you raise your right hand, and find out firsthand how sub par, any of our services training and equipment is. Until then...

    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammonje View Post
    Nope only shooting at paper and hope to keep it that way. Thanks for your service Ron.

    Then STFU

    What is a Marine to do when his/her optic breaks?????

    Shoot bad guys, ACOG rarely "break"

    What if he/she needs to take a 400M shot??? ACOG only???

    I believe Marines qual with irons out to 500mtrs

    Doesn't really seem the Marine way to bow to making something easier???? It's difficult for a reason.

    How would you know? Get over the romance and join the rest of us here in reality. The Marines also resisted the M1 Rifle, til they saw the advantage of them.

    I don't know, guys seemed to do pretty well with irons with 03s, Tommy Guns, M1 Garands, M14s, and M-16s through the 20th Century. Those seem to me to be the more major conflicts than the quasi wars in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting peasants nowhere near as clever as the Viet Cong/NVA or Inmun Gun. In all likelihood conflicts will remain small as the former colonies/under-developed world continue to struggle. Again our military leaders underestimated our adversaries and remain overly reliant on technology instead of mastering political manipulation that our adversaries do so well, especially the Asian communists.


    To keep this on shooting, I'll not address your inane comments about policy and quasi wars.
    We used alot of stuff for a lot of years, we found better ways of doing things.
    Snipers have used scopes since the civil war, and as pointed out, Special Forces used RDS on the Son Tay raid.
    You really don't know what your talking about.


    I'm sure it makes it easier, but easier does not mean it's the better way to train someone from scratch. You're cheating them....consistency is difficult and marksmanship is filled with fine details. How are they to discover the effect of head placement and cheek weld???? These are issues that have to be proven during trigger time. You can't learn them with a parallax-free RDO.

    In this case, Easier most definitely is better. Cheating? Really. Again you need to acquaint your self w/ the reality of shooting in a real world combat conditions, not flat ranges and books.


    Just b/c the military does something does not make it the best alternative. If they can't qualify then perhaps the instruction is sub-par. Seems to me that Marines have been shooting excellent since their inception.

    I don't even know how to address that bit of silliness


    I agree wholeheartedly that irons suck compared to RDO in low-light and target acquisition, but that's not the point. The point is that the fundamentals of sight alignment and trigger control cannot be taught well with a dot.

    That is exactly the point, period end of story. You keep preaching from your pulpit squarely placed on the 1000mtr line, and that just does not jive w/ reality. And all the facts in the world will not budge you from your predetermined answer. You're like one of those bible thumpers I work with.
    Answers in green.

    Bob
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    Bob he's typical of most people. Reach a conclusion based on ignorance or incomplete facts and then fabricate a reality to support it.

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    I think this one has run it's course.
    Only hits count......you can not miss fast enough to catch up

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