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Thread: The SR-15E3: Latest Developments and Input from III

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    Heres an E3 bolt with ~14-15k through it.




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    Would it be ludicrous to suggest a 10'' gas system on a 14.5'' model?

    It'd have about the same dwell time as the 16.1''.

    Would that be possible?
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    The gas system discussion might not be too far afield, but there are likely other issues to consider. For example, if you're going to offer a non-NFA 14.5" gun, you're going to have to permanently attach the muzzle device, and the question then becomes which one do you use?

    It would be tempting to suggest the the Triple Tap, but the TT is intended to be something of a sacrificial/expendable component (especially in suppressed applications), so it might not be the best choice for permanent pinning. The A2 wouldn't be at the top of most lists, and overall length would still be an issue. Where else could/would you go with this, from the factory's perspective?

    If you elect to go with an NFA offering (negating the need for pinning), you're back to dealing with some other realities. KAC has moved very slowly and deliberately where the SBR market is concerned, and even now, all we've been promised is a single run of preconfigured guns. There may be future runs if the initial venture is successful, but this is by no means assured. Even if KAC does choose to go down this path, it seems evident that these will always be cautious, limited efforts, as this is strictly a sideline effort for them.

    Personally, I think KAC could move in any number of directions with the SR-15 series, and all would likely be successful given the impact this gun is making on an admittedly saturated market. Will the SBRs sell? Yes, they should move pretty swiftly. Would an SPR product be well-received? Given what we know about KAC's contract involvement in the precision gun world, I would say absolutely. That leaves the mid-range/general purpose applications to which the base 16" model is already so very well-suited.

    At the end of the day, however, we have to remember that KAC's financial interests are more rooted in official/agency sales than they are in the private market, and while I would stop short of saying that they are making the SR-15E3 available as a public service, we have to acknowledge that we are not their primary customer base. III has made it clear that he sees the AR market as a crowded place, so I would not expect KAC to begin turning out too many variations on the theme in an attempt to sate every would-be purchaser's desires. They seem more likely to continue to focus upon their core competencies, and if we're very fortunate (and quick to buy), we can only hope that an emerging SBR line becomes one of them.

    Might that eventually include a 14.5" SBR? Perhaps, but I have to consider that somewhat unlikely for now, given that relatively few shooters want to deal with the NFA implications of such a purchase for 1.5 inches of barrel length. With the right gas system, there would still be a strong draw, I suppose, but this would remain something of a niche product for an unusually discerning buyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    What if I want to mount a IR laser in this position? This section of rail is not rigid and the IR laser will not hold a zero.
    Just mount it back farther or don't use the rail. In The art of the tactical carbine 2.. Travis Haley is using one on his and its just mounted back 3 slots. just doesn't seem like a big deal. It looks fine too. Btw it seems pretty rigid when down and locked.Another question i have for you is do you want to run a buis at all? whether it's integrated or mounted you still cant put the IR there. So technically it would be in the same spot anyway...unless where on two different pages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Chief View Post
    The gas system discussion might not be too far afield, but there are likely other issues to consider. For example, if you're going to offer a non-NFA 14.5" gun, you're going to have to permanently attach the muzzle device, and the question then becomes which one do you use?

    It would be tempting to suggest the the Triple Tap, but the TT is intended to be something of a sacrificial/expendable component (especially in suppressed applications), so it might not be the best choice for permanent pinning. The A2 wouldn't be at the top of most lists, and overall length would still be an issue. Where else could/would you go with this, from the factory's perspective?

    If you elect to go with an NFA offering (negating the need for pinning), you're back to dealing with some other realities. KAC has moved very slowly and deliberately where the SBR market is concerned, and even now, all we've been promised is a single run of preconfigured guns. There may be future runs if the initial venture is successful, but this is by no means assured. Even if KAC does choose to go down this path, it seems evident that these will always be cautious, limited efforts, as this is strictly a sideline effort for them.

    Personally, I think KAC could move in any number of directions with the SR-15 series, and all would likely be successful given the impact this gun is making on an admittedly saturated market. Will the SBRs sell? Yes, they should move pretty swiftly. Would an SPR product be well-received? Given what we know about KAC's contract involvement in the precision gun world, I would say absolutely. That leaves the mid-range/general purpose applications to which the base 16" model is already so very well-suited.

    At the end of the day, however, we have to remember that KAC's financial interests are more rooted in official/agency sales than they are in the private market, and while I would stop short of saying that they are making the SR-15E3 available as a public service, we have to acknowledge that we are not their primary customer base. III has made it clear that he sees the AR market as a crowded place, so I would not expect KAC to begin turning out too many variations on the theme in an attempt to sate every would-be purchaser's desires. They seem more likely to continue to focus upon their core competencies, and if we're very fortunate (and quick to buy), we can only hope that an emerging SBR line becomes one of them.

    Might that eventually include a 14.5" SBR? Perhaps, but I have to consider that somewhat unlikely for now, given that relatively few shooters want to deal with the NFA implications of such a purchase for 1.5 inches of barrel length. With the right gas system, there would still be a strong draw, I suppose, but this would remain something of a niche product for an unusually discerning buyer.

    AC
    I understand where you're going with this.

    But I bet that this issue could be mitigated if instead of selling 14.5'' complete rifles as default, then they could just sell the upper assembly, and open options up.

    If somebody wants it NFA? They can do it themselves. If they don't want it NFA? Buy the upper and get your own FH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    I understand where you're going with this.

    But I bet that this issue could be mitigated if instead of selling 14.5'' complete rifles as default, then they could just sell the upper assembly, and open options up.

    If somebody wants it NFA? They can do it themselves. If they don't want it NFA? Buy the upper and get your own FH.
    Without betraying a confidence, I can tell you with no little certainty that this would not be viewed as an acceptable strategy in Titusville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    Would it be ludicrous to suggest a 10'' gas system on a 14.5'' model?

    It'd have about the same dwell time as the 16.1''.

    Would that be possible?
    First, KAC has stated before that you can cut an E3 to 14.5". With that being possible, why would we ask KAC to reinvent the wheel again and produce another non-standard gas system length?

    Second, III has stated before that they would introduce products where they saw a gap in the market and won't produce standard, run-of-the-mill configurations that are readily available from other Mfrs. BCM and DD have the Mid 14.5" market sewn up pretty well.

    Finally, why all this discussion and whining about the URX front sight? It is a really innovative and well designed product. If you're married to a 12:00 light mount, there are workarounds as shown above. I personally believe this is a case of the minority piling on and that most users actually like the sight design. If you absolutely hate the sight, but love the URX, send it to Marvin for a custom cut job.

    This isn't a "if I ran KAC, I would do it differently" thread. It is a discussion about upcoming products and improvements. It is easy to sit back and second guess a company and KAC probably invites more that their fair share by being accessible on the Boards, but they do have some great minds designing great products. They have never been the everymans accessory provider, but they have been an industry innovator for decades.

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    I know the E3 can be cut to 14.5''. (I did it.)

    I was thinking a 10'' gas system would run on a 14.5'' in the same way the 11'' gas system worked on the 16.1''. Same dwell time, or so. We already know it's reliable on the 16.1''.

    Chief: You're probably right.

    This isn't a "if I ran KAC, I would do it differently" thread.

    I hope I wasn't the person who inspired that quote.
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    10" gas system isn't without precedent. IIRC that's the VLTOR/Noveske intermediate.

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    KAC has basically stopped selling the Match guns in 556 because of lack of demand.

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