Up to date question regarding Gen 4, Glock, Model 17's

[Street Survival]

Gentlemen,

I have a quick question for all our Competition Shooters / Active Combat Shooters. Do you truly believe all the bugs have been worked out of the New,Gen 4, Glock, Model 17's? Let me know what your current (November 2010) experience is? I'm about to purchase 2 of them. Thanks for your input.
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[Jim D]

Friend of mine got one 2 days ago. The test fire date was October. He had multiple feeding failures in the first 30 rounds with FMJ practice ammo.

I would wait a little longer.

[Alpha Sierra]

I had two FTEs in the first 460 rounds. Changed to an 02 spring and they went away.

[Magic_Salad0892]

No issues in mine, 02 spring in two, 01 in the other.

Are the premature wear issues fixed?

[thorm001]

I bought mine in August (02 spring) and have put approx 1100 rounds of various cheap range ammo through it. Myself, my wife, and 3 different friends have all fired it. Zero issues.

[Mike169]

The "bug" is that the heavier redesigned spring assembly was designed to shoot hotter loads (i.e. defensive rounds) in a more controllable manner. The Gen4s shoot these hotter rounds softer than any other polymer pistol I've ever shot. The trade off is their unreliability with softer loads due to them not having enough power to get the slide to go all the way back. I have heard some anecdotal stories from a very small number of people mentioning issues with the new extractor, but these would not cause the FTFs that I have experienced as well as the details and photos of others and their FTF issues, as the round doesn't even come into contact with the extractor in these cases.

To answer YOUR question, if I were a competition shooter looking for lower PF rounds, I would NOT get the Gen4 guns. But, if you are looking to get these guns to shoot higher PF rounds, knowing they will still have the same benefits you see when shooting lower PF rounds in a gen3 gun, then have at it.

I own a Gen4 G19 and carry it on duty. I accepted the fact that I needed to shoot hotter rounds out of it, and as a reloader it didn't bother me a bit. My gun has been 100% with +P rounds as well as my current load (4.7gr titegroup, 115gr FMJ). I love my Gen4.

[Jim D]

The "bug" is that the heavier redesigned spring assembly was designed to shoot hotter loads (i.e. defensive rounds) in a more controllable manner. The Gen4s shoot these hotter rounds softer than any other polymer pistol I've ever shot. The trade off is their unreliability with softer loads due to them not having enough power to get the slide to go all the way back.

You're giving Glock far too much credit.

They designed the 4th Gen as a fix to all of their .40S&W problems, then they dropped the 9mm's into it...and this is what you get. The exact opposite of the 2nd/3rd gen.

They released the slides initially with no recess for the spring assembly, then started doing it after their guns locked up like vaults on the line for numerous LE depts...oops.

They used the 3rd Gen spring for the takedown lever, despite the dustcover changing dimensions pretty noticably, then had to invent a new part after they were released...oops.

They released their 9mm's with the exact same springs as the .40S&W's, with evidently ZERO large scale testing with factory training ammo (budget FMJ), then had to create new springs to address these failures...oops.

C'mon, the only reason they shoot hotter loads better is because they designed the gun to shoot .40S&W, and took a lot of shortcuts converting it into a 9mm.

[M4arc]

[B][COLOR="Blue"]Do you truly believe all the bugs have been worked out of the New,Gen 4, Glock, Model 17's?

No.

And I say that as a true Glock fanatic. There are far too many reports of these things choking than we say with Gen2 & Gen3 models for me to believe that they are good to go.

That’s not to say you can’t walk into the gun store, buy one and have 100% reliability though. I just think your chances of having one run on standard 115gr ammo are less than you would with a 3rd generation G17.

It’s the reason I haven’t added a Gen4 G17 (or G19) to my collection yet. I know the Glocks I own are good to go but I’m not so sure about the new ones. I’ll buy one eventually, just not now.