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    Isn't it like 76% of officer fatalities are from traffic stops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    Isn't it like 76% of officer fatalities are from traffic stops?
    According to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund,

    as of November 22nd, 2010 there were 144 total line of duty deaths of officers. 69 were from "traffic incidents", and 51 were from gunfire.

    Being that they list gunfire seperately from "traffic incidents", I have to assume that in "traffic incidents" they include motor vehicle accidents as well. This figure can be confusing, because it apparently includes all the instances where an officer was killed in the line of duty due to being involved in a traffic accident.

    http://www.nleomf.com/facts/officer-fatalities-data/

    I love police officers, have given yearly to my state's Sheriff's foundation, and have many good friends and one best friend who is in law enforcement. The point of this thread is not officer safety, police corruption or otherwise. It is the rights of citizens and how those citizens choose to exercise or not exercise those rights.

    The video depicted two professional (however misinformed) officers and a citizen who knew his rights and exercised them under pressure from the officers to waive them. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Lets be professional here and not try to skew the original intent of the OP from the rights of citizens to the invariable unending debate of the merits of law enforcement as a whole.
    A man with a gun is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject.

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    Guy can do what he want's. Not something I would do (I don't like extra holes in me) but if it floats his boat more power to him.

    He needs to work on his replies however, he sounds nervous and hesitant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by citizensoldier16 View Post
    Lets be professional here and not try to skew the original intent of the OP from the rights of citizens to the invariable unending debate of the merits of law enforcement as a whole.
    Good advice and good timing. There will be a post coming very soon (from yours truly) about this very subject in the near future

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    The guy with the camera is a ****ing asshat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 500grains View Post
    Unlawful stop, unlawful detention of non-suspect.
    Uhhh no, and no.

    Stopping a guy with a gun, acting strange and approaching a cop in the street on a traffic stop, was more that enough PC to stop the guy. And unless I missed it, (I was multi-tasking), they didn't detain him.

    Cops could have handled it differently, (disarming the guy and patting him down could have easily been justified, clearly neither cop splits atoms in their spare time), but they were absolutely right to try and check the guy out.
    Last edited by Jake'sDad; 11-23-10 at 01:20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake'sDad View Post

    Stopping a guy with a gun, acting strange and approaching a cop in the street on a traffic stop, was more that enough PC to stop the guy. And unless I missed it, (I was multi-tasking), they didn't detain him.
    The uniformed officer let him leave, so the video guy was driving down the road, doing nothing wrong and gets pulled over.

    NO PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED.

    Illegal stop.

    Probable cause does not mean you think the guy is annoying, don't like how he looks, etc.
    Last edited by 500grains; 11-23-10 at 01:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_smiles View Post
    He needs to work on his replies however, he sounds nervous and hesitant.
    He sounded and acted disturbed, and possibly unable to care for his own safety to me.....

    Clearly, checking him out for his own welfare would have been the proper thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500grains View Post
    The uniformed officer let him leave, so the video guy was driving down the road, doing nothing wrong and gets pulled over.
    The uniformed officer stayed in a place of safety until he knew he had cover coming.

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