SIRT Training Pistol

[monkeywrench]

Has any one tried one of these?
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.a...126840&CAT=251

[spamsammich]

My local range has had a few of these for T&E, when they seem to be a great training aid when they are working. I never really pursued the reasons for the failures but the guys at the range were pretty disappointed in the reliability.

The one example I tried during an Insights Training class worked really well.

[zacbol]

They've provided a few to the teachers at Insights, from whom I take classes. I've used them in both their General Defensive Handgun class, as well as this past weekend in Intensive Handgun Skills. They will show a red dot when the trigger is prepped 90%, then go green when you "fire".

In Intensive Handgun Skills, John Holschen mentioned that you have to be careful with them because if you are using them by yoursefl you may start focusing on the targer, rather than maintaining a sharp front sight focus.

At various points for students such as myself who were not sufficiently prepping the trigger, they had us switch to one of the SIRTs and we had another student watching the target to tell us if we were prepping, which results in a red dot followed by a green, or were jerking the trigger, which results in the red dot and green dot showing up simultaneously. I think for that purpose (learning proper trigger control) they're fairly useful, but I'm not sure I'd shell $400 for one given they have limited utility beyond that (as far as I know). Maybe if they were more like $150-200.

[Stonebridge]

I was pretty impressed with the one we got to play with but my time was limited to just a few minutes in the shoot-house and I'm by no means a pro. Being that I don't use the GLOCK platform, the most useful aspect was its ability to highlight trigger snatching. The mag change and tap-rack-bang abilities would be very useful and for guys that do house clearing it would be invaluable especially in low-light when it's not easy to see when somebody's got his finger on the trigger.

For me personally, practicing with it wouldn't be the most realistic because it's not what I carry and I'm able to use my own range and classroom whenever I like BUT I would love to add one to my toolbox when I teach CCW classes in other people's homes.

Using the local WM prices for Federal 9mm, it would pay for itself in 2,100 rounds. For a GLOCK user, I'd say it's not a bad investment and looks to last pretty much forever.

-'bridge

[Treehopr]

I saw it at SHOT Show earlier this year and was impressed by it. I spoke to the inventor for about 45 minutes and he was definitely knowledgeable.

I have 2 of them now and there are some durability issues with the laser/battery. It'd be nice if it were a lot cheaper but it does what its supposed to do, which is make it easier for people to practice and build up the number of neuro-muscular memory repetitions.

If you leave it around then folks will invariably pick it up and start dry firing with it. As a training/teaching tool for shooting or combatives-type training it is excellent and if you use it enough it is worth the cost.

I'd like to see them offer aftermarket sights as a factory option rather than the plastic sights and it'd be nice if it came with more than one magazine as well. The dimensions may be slightly off on the frame as I can't use it with my 5.11 VTAC thumb drive holster. A Glock 19/23 size frame would be a great addition.

I'm hoping that as the company matures and the product evolves some of these issues will be resolved.

[ChocLab]

I would love to try one before I bought it. If anyone knows where one is, store or range, in the Los Angeles/Orange County area please post.

Since it is Glock, I am hesitant since I now shoot primarily M&P and will probably wait until they put one out for that platform. For now, I'll put that money towards ammo and training.

Their videos from their website http://www.nextleveltraining.com/ are quite informative. I especially like how you can incorporate physical fitness training with your dry-fire regimen, doing magazine changes, see the take up portion of the trigger, etc... They company seems to be full of guys who shoot.

As for focusing too much on the laser instead of the front sight, I have been thinking about the training ramifications of if you mounted a RDS on the training pistol to match your RDS set up on your pistol. In this instance, I believe you would be looking at your target and would get a superimposed view of the green laser in background of your red dot. My current aim is to order the Deltapointe through Bowie Tactical for an M&P45. I have an extra Burris fastfire that I could mount to the training pistol.

I would much rather have one that matches the trigger platform that I currently use but don't know how they would replicate it with an APEX kit.

On another food for though note, there is another product call ReadyShot that uses your existing handgun. http://www.readyshot.com/ReadyShot_V...tions_s/34.htm and http://www.personalarmament.com/2010...questions.html.

I am not sure how it adequately provides for the same trigger feel with out trying one out. Some one more technically advanced in the operation of the pistol can watch and opine. Also, it would not allow for magazine changes either.

[rob_s]

Any more experiences with this?

Truthfully, I think I'd be more interested simply in something that automatically resets the trigger on my own gun, without all the lasers, and without having to take the gun apart.

I'd like to see someone come up with a drop in slide that has a way to reset the trigger built-in but that allows me to install my own sights. Hell, I'd sell it without sights at all.

[ChocLab]

Truthfully, I think I'd be more interested simply in something that automatically resets the trigger on my own gun, without all the lasers, and without having to take the gun apart.

I'd like to see someone come up with a drop in slide that has a way to reset the trigger built-in but that allows me to install my own sights. Hell, I'd sell it without sights at all.

^This.

Ps I did contact them and they may have an M&P version around April.

I have come across some vendors that sell conversions for your own pistol that use co2 to cycle the slide. I would pay a lot for that but it looks like they only sell to agency/military. I'll have to look for the link.

[ChocLab]

So I don't thread jack this thread, info on conversion system for your own pistol.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...347#post886347

[Treehopr]

I stopped by the JP Enterprises booth at SHOT and spoke with the SIRT folks.

I mentioned my issues with battery contacts and the frame being slightly too big for my holster and they offered to swap both of the SIRT pistols with their newest generation version.

They had a S&W M&P as well as the new drop in bolt conversion unit for an AR type weapon. Looks promising but I will hold off until they release it for sale.

As far as using the lasers- my personal preference is to have the prep laser line up below the front sight (when aiming in) and to have the trigger break laser "splash" behind the front sight.