SIRT Training Pistol

[vigilant2]

I've been using this unit from laserlyte for about 2 months now....

http://www.laserlyte.com/Laser_Train...RO/LT-PRO.html

nice thing is that it inserts in the barrel of any gun, as you slightly
twist it becomes secure, place a dummy round or snapcap in the
chamber and you're GTG. It only emits the laser at trigger break
just long enough for you to see POI. You do have to reset your
trigger for the next shot, but I can do that one handed in less than
a second without fully racking the slide on my g19. The one caveat
is that you must either remove the batteries from the unit when done or insert the tiny plastic disc included to prevent the batteries from dieing as there is no off switch. I've dryfired with it all over
with 1"dots 3"bullseyes etc etc. The price is good too.

And now I find out they just came out with this unit to work with it
..........................

http://www.laserlyte.com/Laser_Train...B-1/TLB-1.html

[Cesiumsponge]

Two local instructors voiced that they seemed to like the units they were sent for T&E. One got the gray version and suggested getting the red slide instead because the gray isn't as eye-catching. I wonder why they didn't just mold the entire thing in a safety color. The price is steep, but they look to give much more feedback than winging it with dry firing and guesstimating with a Crimson Trace system or similar. Though it looks like I might hold off as folks here are mentioning reliability issues, which is a bit much considering the price of these.

I'd still consider one (when they become reliable) as I'm getting ready to give Glock a try. Seeing as they molded it after the Glock platform, this might be a good way to speed up my transition to the Glock platform. I'm curious if these problems were mostly early/pre-production models or still an issue on current production items.

[sff70]

When I first heard about the SIRT, I thought "gadget". Why would I buy one when I can put a piece of paper in my Glock and have a trigger that reset?

Saw one in person and was very impressed.

Received one as a gift prior to Xmas. It's from an early run. The trigger feel left something to be desired. Sent it in for a no-cost upgrade to current spec (nickel plated trigger components and some other things) and am very pleased with it. Well over 10k "shots" on it.

Have loaned it out to several of my co-workers, who have put it through its paces. Nothing broken yet. I will have a hard time getting it back from the guy who's had it the longest.

My primary focus is on the sights, it's how I call my shots. The green laser I see in my secondary focus and it makes it more apparent if I messed up a shot.

Did a lot of training with the SIRT and got my IDPA classifier score (total) down to 83 from 102-ish.

The SIRT magazines are indestructible thus far, and can be used in a real G17/G22/G19/G23.

They can be had for less than $400 if you are LE/MIL. Call NLT and ask for Dave H.

[Mike_Hughes]

I am biased…. I made this thing…the SIRT Training Pistol.

Basically it is a tool for high volume, self diagnostic, sustainable training. That is a mouthful, but it boils it down. What we found was having it around made us train a lot more in a distributed manner verses a large single time block. I am all about getting our grip dialed in first and then hitting high volume training. My biggest concern is that shooters do not get enough initial training on grip and stance before hitting high volume repetitions.

But when shooter get their grip dialed in with a neurologically separated trigger finger, now they can train the gun manipulation to the Nth degree. When I first started shooting my first basic observation was that we were not getting the repetitions in compared to other endeavors (e.g. shooting single leg take downs in wrestling, lineman footwork in football, etc.). So i made the tool to aid me in the quest to win USPSA Production nationals. Still on that journey! I sucked too bad so I basically made my own sponsor, NextLevel Training.

[Mike_Hughes]

At various points for students such as myself who were not sufficiently prepping the trigger, they had us switch to one of the SIRTs and we had another student watching the target to tell us if we were prepping, which results in a red dot followed by a green, or were jerking the trigger, which results in the red dot and green dot showing up simultaneously. I think for that purpose (learning proper trigger control) they're fairly useful, but I'm not sure I'd shell $400 for one given they have limited utility beyond that (as far as I know). Maybe if they were more like $150-200.

Just FYI, not trying to make an ad etc. but the new Performer has a red shot indicating laser and plastic slide and is sub $199 street price. It still has the trigger take up laser (red also but now take up laser is adjusted 6:00 out of sight picture from our factory).

No Joke, the green laser and metal slide is about 1/2 the Cost of Goods (COGs) in the SIRT Training Pistol 110 Pro. So a red laser with plastic slide dramatically cuts the costs… but the weight is not the same and not quite as durable as the metal slide (although none have broken yet to date).

I hear you on cost $349- $399 is a bit to shell out for a Pro, but check out some comments on the web, very pleased how shooters are getting utility from SIRTs and increasing their raw gun handling training.

Again, not trying to make an ad or be a jackass, but feel free to shoot me any questions.

[Hogsgunwild]

Thanks Mike. I heard some good comments about these devices from two gentlemen at a course that I took recently. Nice work. Sounds like a good tool to have.

[SPQR476]

I use one also--nearly every day. The one I've had longest has maybe...30,000 trigger presses or so, as a swag. Very, very useful tool.

[Frailer]

Just FYI, not trying to make an ad etc. but the new Performer has a red shot indicating laser and plastic slide and is sub $199 street price. It still has the trigger take up laser (red also but now take up laser is adjusted 6:00 out of sight picture from our factory)...

I bought one of the Performer series models as soon as it was released. To say I am pleased would be an understatement. It's a great training tool, and I've seen significant improvement in my trigger control. While I don't use it in this manner, I could see its utility in force-on-force drills as well.

I have no connection with Mike or his company. I'm just a very satisfied customer.

[Mike_Hughes]

I bought one of the Performer series models as soon as it was released. To say I am pleased would be an understatement. It's a great training tool, and I've seen significant improvement in my trigger control. While I don't use it in this manner, I could see its utility in force-on-force drills as well.

I have no connection with Mike or his company. I'm just a very satisfied customer.

Thanks for the feedback (will send you your $10. Joke). No.. you hit it on the head, trigger control is like the major deficiency. I would suggest jacking up your trigger break weight and adjusting the over travel for more overtravel. With a heavy break and a lot of over travel… you will really see gains in your trigger mechanics. This is a wicked drill to dial in trigger mechanics. http://kaizenpistol.blogspot.com/201...rain-with.html (I hope it is not bad form to post other links). This shows using an old flood light as part of a target where we shoot a stickie pad in the middle. Objective: keeping the muzzle aligned on a small target during the initial break (sight alignment) and then all they way to full over-travel (trigger mechanics) is not easy. Try strong-weak hand only too. Good opportunity to get weak hand (support hand... whatever) up to par.
Now get a par timer and draw and hit the sticky in sub 1.6…. then 1.55…. then ….. 1.2! It gets addicting! We need these kind of addictions though!!

[ranger5]

I purchased one of these training pistols from a local store and it was not working properly. I contacted the company and they immediately sent me a replacement pistol and a return label. No questions asked. The replacement is performing flawlessly. I believe this pistol will really help shooters learn proper trigger control. I recommend using it with a timer to add a little pressure.