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    I have shot my wilson combat UT15 to 700 with an ACOG and made first round hits on steel. With my M4 I never shot past 500 with irons but with practice your confidence grows and first round hit become more common for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat Trash View Post
    I think the answer for me would be more in the line of at what distance can I identify an individual as being a threat and warranting the use of deadly force on my part.

    I live and work within CONUS. The rules of engagement that our armed forces work under in Iraq and Afghanistan do not apply to me as a civilian or while at work as a LEO, living and working within CONUS.

    Can I identify which person out of a group of individuals is the one who is armed and shooting at me from 500yds, 600 yds, 800 yds?

    If you are far enough away to not be able to ID the threat, and are not in a military engagement, I question whether you should be firing at that time. Even if you have the ability to hit the target from that distance, if you are unable to determine the target you are shooting at is the actual threat, then you shouldn't be shooting.
    While this is great info, it is not regarding the purpose of this post. I'm a Civvie, and any defensive situation would be around 20 FEET or so. There is little question about the effectiveness of 5.56 NATO at this range (especially with a good load). Also, at this range, ID'ing a threat would be very easy, as well (i.e. a stranger breaking into one's residence) As a civilian, I would hope to never be in a situation where I was being fired on from a distance!
    My question was intended to be purely hypothetical. Also very general. Thanks for the input and thanks for your service as a LEO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911nbmore View Post
    I can consistently make hits on a man size plate out to 750 yards with my 16 inch Noveske barreled AR. My MK12 ish clone can go out to 800 yards easily all day. SSA 77 SMK and my 77Gr hand loads seem to do the trick. I don’t know how affective it would be on a human target, but I wouldn’t want to get hit by it. Here is some video of me and my buddy shooting at the plates.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LBRoFQZLOo
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    IWC has a Lewis Machine & Tool, Inc MRP CQB with the 16" barrel, the standard one, not the SS version.

    We have an ACOG TA11-FG Green CrossHair reticle with a LaRue Mount.

    Routinely when we go on the Pawnee National Grasslands east of Timnath, CO, we're able to get 9/10 hits on a 18" x 18" steel plate at 600M, using a bipod prone, usually in slight wind.

    77gr Sierra Fiocchi MK262.

    All day long...

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    If you shoot at Pawnee with only slight wind then you are usually luckier than I am
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    Quote Originally Posted by M4Fundi View Post
    If you shoot at Pawnee with only slight wind then you are usually luckier than I am



    Ha I think maybe 5% of the time I shoot the wind is less than 10MPH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    No, I would not take this shot at 350 yards. I feel it would be unethical to do so as I feel the round would not produce a clean, humane kill. When using a 5.56/223 for deer sized game, one must choose a properly constructed bullet, regardless of range.

    At 350 yards, I'd be studying the terrain to see if I couldn't stalk at least another 150 yards closer, regardless of caliber
    This. There is a big difference in combat effectiveness and deer hunting. Please clarify your actual intent of the original question. If you're asking about hunting game, I wouldn't recommend a .223 period. However, if it's all you have, then use a properly designed bullet for hunting and limit your shots to broadside only shots through the lungs, not the shoulder.

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    You guys make it sound like you can't get good bullets for your guns.

    Seventy yards, lung/heart/lung, stopped her(admittedly small)ass cold.
    Corbon DPX Hunter 53 gr. Bullet punched through bone(not the spaces) on both sides of her rib cage and kept on flying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    This. There is a big difference in combat effectiveness and deer hunting. Please clarify your actual intent of the original question. If you're asking about hunting game, I wouldn't recommend a .223 period. However, if it's all you have, then use a properly designed bullet for hunting and limit your shots to broadside only shots through the lungs, not the shoulder.
    I didn't clarify because my question was intended to be vague. BUT, the different responses regarding game/2-legged-upright-walking critters/paper made this worth it. I didn't have a specific 'soft target' in mind when I originally asked the Q. Just a curious question that felt OK to ask. BTW, I am no professional shooter, but I'm not a newb as well. I've been shooting the AR platform for 6 years now. I am always seeking new knowledge on this subject.

    Thank all of you for the various responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOUNT-N-SLOT View Post
    IWC has a Lewis Machine & Tool, Inc MRP CQB with the 16" barrel, the standard one, not the SS version.

    We have an ACOG TA11-FG Green CrossHair reticle with a LaRue Mount.

    Routinely when we go on the Pawnee National Grasslands east of Timnath, CO, we're able to get 9/10 hits on a 18" x 18" steel plate at 600M, using a bipod prone, usually in slight wind.

    77gr Sierra Fiocchi MK262.

    All day long...
    NICE! I'll bet the ACOG helps alot at those ranges, as opposed to a
    1x RDS.
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