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Thread: Furthest feasible shot with 16" bbl

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    For a first round hit? I would limit myself to 500 yard give or take. Im not good enough to make a first round hit at 750 yet. Usually takes me 2-5 rounds to get on target good at that range depending on the conditions.


    I also usually shoot a few different types of ammo, and the clicks are different enough each one has to be adjusted to make hits. If all I shot was one type of ammo through one gun it would be easier for me.


    The hardest part is reading the wind. At 750 you can have wind going 3 different directions between you and the target. Swirly or gusty wind is a real bitch. A change in just 5MPH can throw you a few feet off with a 556.

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    Depends on the following: Skill of shooter, type of weapon (stock vs match), ammo (match vs quality vs cheap ball), environmental weather factors (sunny, cloudy, wind direction, humidity, elevation), and shooting position. 500M is probably the realistic range. There are anecdotal first hand accounts of folks getting hits out to 800M with a standard M-4 on BGs, but I think that's a far stretch for the average shooter, weapon and ammo. At that extream range, I doubt there's enough energy left in the round to cause any significant damage to a human target (to penetrate 12 inches or more, and fragment) other than to poke shallow holes. The threshold for proper fragmentation is 0-200M.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ztf HITMAN View Post
    Sorry I didn't make myself too clear. I know the technical limitations, but my Q should have been more about realistic limitations. Would you be confident in an 800 yd shot, assuming you would get the hit?
    I have an 18 inch diameter manhole cover on the side of a hill out in the desert. With an ACOG, 500 yard shots from elbows (no sandbags, no bipod) are not hard at all. My 10 year old kid hits it 75% of the time.

    The spot we are in does not give us a good 600 yard shot, so I am going to have to work on that.

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    Hang in there ZTF, you got three answers from some knowledgable and experienced guys, and more will chime in. Nothing wrong with your question. Just look at the spelling and punctuation in the posts from the guys giving you hell, they have to resort to that kind of stuff because they can't help it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerinTPA View Post
    Depends on the following: Skill of shooter, type of weapon (stock vs match), ammo (match vs quality vs cheap ball), environmental weather factors (sunny, cloudy, wind direction, humidity, elevation), and shooting position. 500M is probably the realistic range. There are anecdotal first hand accounts of folks getting hits out to 800M with a standard M-4 on BGs, but I think that's a far stretch for the average shooter, weapon and ammo. At that extream range, I doubt there's enough energy left in the round to cause any significant damage to a human target (to penetrate 12 inches or more, and fragment) other than to poke shallow holes. The threshold for proper fragmentation is 0-200M.


    Yeah I was going to mention you're way past fragmentation range. Ive heard of the 750/800 hits, too, and you don't hear how many times they tried that before while missing, ect. Especially with military ball ammo its luck to make a 1st round hit even at 500. Even with a perfect gun and shooter the spread of those rounds is greater than the torso size of a human let alone the upper center chest area. I notice a HUGE difference in hits at 500 on larues between match and ball ammo. Add into that shooter exhaustion, combat stress, ect, and its just not likely for a soldier. On a perfect range with benches, solid rests, quality ammo and rifle a 1st round 500 hit is easily doable.

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    [QUOTE=RogerinTPA;827793 500M is probably the realistic range. The threshold for proper fragmentation is 0-200M.[/QUOTE]

    This is the type of answer I was seeking. Nothing specific. I appreciate the feedback guys.

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    Thank you D. Christopher. I just get critical of myself. Often when I shouldn't.
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    Easy hitman. My first question is why this is even a question. You said it was a simple question, but it's far from it. You would be ok at 500 yards putting holes in paper, but if you are shooting zombies at that range, I would upgrade to .308

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    There is no answer. A .223" hole in the right place is always potentially lethal. The 5.56 round will penetrate deeply into human tissue as far as it will fly.

    A wounded enemy @ 800m is a good result in my book. So it comes down to the conditions, your equipment and skill, and a bit of luck.

    I group my weapons in overlapping ranges. Pistol: 0-50, 5-25 best. Shotgun 0-75 (slug), 5-25 best (00 buck). My SBR: 0-300, 5-200 best. With 16" barrel: 0-500, 10-300 best. Finally, I have a 300wm bolt gun. 100-1200 yds, 300-1100 best range. I, however, am not nearly good enough to exploit that potential. I can shoot my other firearms decent to what I consider their max. effective ranges (and have a lot of experience doing so), not the 300WM.
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    Tmanker: It is a simple question...I did say 'soft target' and not paper.
    Strambo: Think of this, for example...A 150# deer. You have a 16" bbl'd 5.56. Choose your optic. I don't want to take a chance of slight wounding/unnecessary suffering. If it's at 350yds, do you take the shot? 400?

    See where I'm going with this? Sure you can benchrest/go prone...Let's say the wind is little to no issue. Maybe I've made my question clearer with this description.

    Thank you guys for the feedback. I apologize for posting such a vague question.

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