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    This came up recently around here recently and the successful engagement ranges have been a lot further than people think with 5.56. I think we will see a lot more examples of successful long range engagement with the Squad Advanced Marksman and Squad Designated Marksman working in the shitbox. Specifically here is quote from M4Guru about shooting bad guys with his 16" Noveske.

    Quote Originally Posted by M4Guru View Post
    I am fortunate enough to be issued a rifle with a Noveske 16" barrel built to my unit's specs ....

    I have engaged targets in excess to 600M with this rifle using MK262 and Hornady 75GR BTHP match ammo and I might as well have a laser gun.
    How about 790 yards with a Mk12 Mod1 and AA53 (Mk262)
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    By this time there was about a 6-8 mph full value wind. As we continued our scan I spotted yet another armed individual. As I observed him thru the scope I made a 24 MOA elevation adjustment based off of my gut instinct telling me that this guy was 720-725 meters (790 yards) away. I held high center chest and led him 1.5 mils to compensate for the wind and his movement, which was in the same direction. I let out a slow breath, controlled the trigger for a smooth release, and let the precision 5.56mm bullet fly. The man stutter stepped as a jolt ran through his body. He took another half step and then clumsily dove to the ground. I kept on him, seeing that he was still moving, he had no cover in the field and crawled trying to hide behind a bush.
    I've made decent hits on a 20" gong to 800yds, the mechanical limit of the BDC in the scope on my 16" Recce and Federal Gold Medal match 77gr SMK.

    Cameron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    This came up recently around here recently and the successful engagement ranges have been a lot further than people think with 5.56. I think we will see a lot more examples of successful long range engagement with the Squad Advanced Marksman and Squad Designated Marksman working in the shitbox.




    How about 790 yards with a Mk12 Mod1 and AA53 (Mk262)


    Cameron
    Wow! Very impressive! As far as my capabilities....Well, let's just say, I wouldn't attempt anything near these ranges. I'd be comfy at a max of 300 with my 1x RDS...I've seen reports of long range shots, but most are with SPR type set-ups. I'd love to get an SPR upper one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ztf HITMAN View Post
    Tmanker: It is a simple question...I did say 'soft target' and not paper.
    Strambo: Think of this, for example...A 150# deer. You have a 16" bbl'd 5.56. Choose your optic. I don't want to take a chance of slight wounding/unnecessary suffering. If it's at 350yds, do you take the shot? 400?

    See where I'm going with this? Sure you can benchrest/go prone...Let's say the wind is little to no issue. Maybe I've made my question clearer with this description.

    Thank you guys for the feedback. I apologize for posting such a vague question.

    Hitman
    Personally, The only time I would use the .223/5.56 on deer would be headshot intentions only. There are just too many superior hunting cartriges out there.

    My preferances aside, (according to my free downloaded ballistics calculator) a 62gr .223 has about 300ft-lbs @ 400 yards, while a 150gr .308 has about 1040ft-lbs (about the same energy as the .223 @ 60yds) I know you specified 75gr, but this is what I have to work with.

    But, energy is only one point of interest. Shot placement is key, and 'effective range" is left up to you, and your shooting ability.

    If you could consistantly hit a deer's heart at 350yds, go for it. If you are anything less than confident, take a cartrige with a little more wiggle room.

    The .223 will take out a deer, but I still like a stronger round for that particular job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ztf HITMAN View Post
    Tmanker: It is a simple question...I did say 'soft target' and not paper.
    Strambo: Think of this, for example...A 150# deer. You have a 16" bbl'd 5.56. Choose your optic. I don't want to take a chance of slight wounding/unnecessary suffering. If it's at 350yds, do you take the shot? 400?

    See where I'm going with this? Sure you can benchrest/go prone...Let's say the wind is little to no issue. Maybe I've made my question clearer with this description.

    Thank you guys for the feedback. I apologize for posting such a vague question.

    Hitman
    No, I would not take this shot at 350 yards. I feel it would be unethical to do so as I feel the round would not produce a clean, humane kill. When using a 5.56/223 for deer sized game, one must choose a properly constructed bullet, regardless of range.

    At 350 yards, I'd be studying the terrain to see if I couldn't stalk at least another 150 yards closer, regardless of caliber

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    I can consistently make hits on a man size plate out to 750 yards with my 16 inch Noveske barreled AR. My MK12 ish clone can go out to 800 yards easily all day. SSA 77 SMK and my 77Gr hand loads seem to do the trick. I don’t know how affective it would be on a human target, but I wouldn’t want to get hit by it. Here is some video of me and my buddy shooting at the plates.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LBRoFQZLOo

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911nbmore View Post
    Here is some video of me and my buddy shooting at the plates.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LBRoFQZLOo
    Great shooting! Looked like a fun time! Impressive with the 16" and 18" barrels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911nbmore View Post
    I can consistently make hits on a man size plate out to 750 yards with my 16 inch Noveske barreled AR. My MK12 ish clone can go out to 800 yards easily all day. SSA 77 SMK and my 77Gr hand loads seem to do the trick. I don’t know how affective it would be on a human target, but I wouldn’t want to get hit by it. Here is some video of me and my buddy shooting at the plates.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LBRoFQZLOo
    Great video thanks for sharing. I think a lot of shooters don't have, or haven't taken the opportunity to shoot at long ranges so they just don't know what is possible.

    Cameron

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    i've shot irons out to 500yds. with 55gr. ball. no issues, i hit about 95% of the time. shooting a deer i wouldn't shoot past 150. i think .223/5.56 is alittle lite on deer at distance.
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    I think the answer for me would be more in the line of at what distance can I identify an individual as being a threat and warranting the use of deadly force on my part.

    I live and work within CONUS. The rules of engagement that our armed forces work under in Iraq and Afghanistan do not apply to me as a civilian or while at work as a LEO, living and working within CONUS.

    Can I identify which person out of a group of individuals is the one who is armed and shooting at me from 500yds, 600 yds, 800 yds?

    If you are far enough away to not be able to ID the threat, and are not in a military engagement, I question whether you should be firing at that time. Even if you have the ability to hit the target from that distance, if you are unable to determine the target you are shooting at is the actual threat, then you shouldn't be shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat Trash View Post
    I think the answer for me would be more in the line of at what distance can I identify an individual as being a threat and warranting the use of deadly force on my part.

    I live and work within CONUS. The rules of engagement that our armed forces work under in Iraq and Afghanistan do not apply to me as a civilian or while at work as a LEO, living and working within CONUS.

    Can I identify which person out of a group of individuals is the one who is armed and shooting at me from 500yds, 600 yds, 800 yds?

    If you are far enough away to not be able to ID the threat, and are not in a military engagement, I question whether you should be firing at that time. Even if you have the ability to hit the target from that distance, if you are unable to determine the target you are shooting at is the actual threat, then you shouldn't be shooting.
    Great response and +1.

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