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    Quote Originally Posted by Curare View Post
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    I think most people just are irritated that they are going to have to spend more money to improve thier gear when they thought they had all the best stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SGT D USMC View Post
    My humble opinion, The M16a1 with its light weight, high sights, and strait stock, was the fastest rifle on target at close range ever issued. It was also orginialy issued with just 20 rd magazines (18 if you were smart). Then came the heavier A2 and with it came a 3/4" longer stock that was great on the range but slower into the shoulder, especialy when compared to the early A1 stocks with out the trap door and smother but pad.

    The M16/AR15 has gotten heaver, lost volicity with shorter barrels, Added all kinds of garbage in the thought path between determing to shoot and actually puling the trigger. by this I mean if you add a second opticial sight for close up, a switch for a light, and a switch for a lazer. this might work fine for being well equipted, But in that micro second that the enemy pops up almost in your face can you garntee yourself that Your only thought will be --enemy-safty-shoot ?

    I guess that an answer may be that you will just train for it. How fast could you be if you trained the same amount with out all the gimicks?

    I am very biased because I spent a year in the jungle and other heavy cover where a close fast shot ment the most. I know that LE need lights on weapons and also that I am not current on todays tactics. But pick up a ARa1 or M16a1 with a 20rd mag and fixed stock, see how light and fast it is.

    Yes, I do think that I will get a 60 rounder, but it will ride in a pouch.

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    Things have evolved to meet needs of the modern warrior (soldiers) and leo's. Yea the guns have gotten heavier they have also gotten better. As for less velocity the best bullets int eh 5.56 are the slow and heavy 75 and 77 grain bullets.
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    ALASKAPOPO, Your answer to my statement that the m16 family going to shorter barrels has lost volicity, was " the slower and heaver bullets, 75 and 77 grain are deadlier" Is because of their heaver weight , not their slower volicity and they could do even better if they had a barrel longer than 14 1/2 inches long.

    My whole point has been that lighter weight, Including items that are added on, can reduce the chance of you getting the first hit at close range. And can also add items that can fail under hard sustained use.

    I also understand matching the weapon to the mission, I don't know who reads this forum, But My best guess is that very few of them have missions to preform, but mostly just want to be able to defend themselves when needed. That may not apply to law enforcement. But although LE may have a carbine in their car, the things that they need attached to their rifle live in a very controlled envoriment.

    My mindset is that my weapon must withstand the monsoon, the dry dusty season and what ever with out a armor handy and without good shealter available when cleaning it. I would be confortable with nothing less. However being almost 70 I doubt that I will be going on any more missions.

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    MTDAWD, You stated that your 60 rd Mag would not feed 300BLK and thought that there may be rubbing the inside of the magazine.
    I wonder if the increase in bullet weight, (perhaps 220 gr instead of 55gr ) or 165 gr each times 60 was too heavy to move fast enough and caused the bolt over base failure to feed?


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    Side view of surefire 100, 60 and exemplar magazines. PMAG, GI, GI w/ Ranger Plate, CMMG 40rd, Surefire 60 & 100



    Back view of surefire 100, 60 and exemplar magazines: PMAG, GI, GI w/ Ranger Plate, CMMG 40rd, Surefire 60 & 100


    Top view. Pmag, GI mags, cmmg 40, surefire 60, 100: Notice the feed cutouts in the top front of the surefire magazines.
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    I want one of these

    I am non-leo and live in CA with it's #%!@ 10-rnd limit - you can pretty much imagine how bad I want one of these

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    Quote Originally Posted by tremor64 View Post
    I am non-leo and live in CA with it's #%!@ 10-rnd limit - you can pretty much imagine how bad I want one of these

    10rd Cali mag block maybe?
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    Is it just me or would a 40 round version be the better than the 60 or 100? The 60 is just as long as the CMMG 40 rounder and you don't exactly see everyone rocking one of those.

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    Just got one of these in, the 60rounders, so far I'm as impressed as I was 8 months ago when we saw these in person via a Surefire rep in class. Hefty mags, but honestly no worse then a redi-mag, and these things feed GREAT on non-steel cased ammo. The size also is not an issue.

    So far, very very cool, especially for trunk gun or bed stand guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    Just got one of these in, the 60rounders, so far I'm as impressed as I was 8 months ago when we saw these in person via a Surefire rep in class. Hefty mags, but honestly no worse then a redi-mag, and these things feed GREAT on non-steel cased ammo. The size also is not an issue.

    So far, very very cool, especially for trunk gun or bed stand guns.
    How about steel cased ammo?

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