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Thread: Lightweight VS. maximum efficiency 11.5 build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    As Cameron stated, hard to see how 9oz. in the very ass end of a boomstick can negate what it brings
    which assumes that it "brings" anything. Much like the can thread going on right now, added weight for an actual benefit is good. Adding weight for no benefit, or a benefit that only exists in one's head, is not so good.

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    I tried the UBR, it really is a yes or no type of addition. I have to go with a big no based on just "don't feel right" crowd. I will stick with MOE/CTR for LW builds, esp. on a SBR style build. I prefer to make the front lighter versus making the rear heavier to add balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    The UBR as time goes on is becoming a very polarizing product. Retreat mentioned the first moment he fired a UBR equipped gun he basically knew it was not for him....I had exactly the opposite experience when using one for the first time ever, as well as every time I shoot a new AR config. that has a ubr on it.
    Agreed. Everyone is gonna have a differing viewpoint on shit like this. More power to the individuals on both sides.

    However I actually DO like the UBR. I just like it on guns where weight is a non-issue for me, like my Mk12 SPR. Of course i don't actually have a UBR on my SPR, at least not yet anyways. For now, my CTR works surprisingly well on it. Plus I keep spending my gun funds on uppers, IR lasers, NV, optics and suppressors, so I haven't even set the $$$ aside for one yet, lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RetreatHell View Post
    Agreed. Everyone is gonna have a differing viewpoint on shit like this. More power to the individuals on both sides.

    However I actually DO like the UBR. I just like it on guns where weight is a non-issue for me, like my Mk12 SPR. Of course i don't actually have a UBR on my SPR, at least not yet anyways. For now, my CTR works surprisingly well on it. Plus I keep spending my gun funds on uppers, IR lasers, NV, optics and suppressors, so I haven't even set the $$$ aside for one yet, lol!
    I agree. Love the stock, just find a different use for it than some, and don't find it beneficial on the SBRs the way some do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    which assumes that it "brings" anything. Much like the can thread going on right now, added weight for an actual benefit is good. Adding weight for no benefit, or a benefit that only exists in one's head, is not so good.
    I guess I am lucky since I don't have to "assume" the advantages of the UBR...I actually get to experience them in their great quantity.

    I have absolutely no problem with someone who believes in the ole.."why use a filet mignon when a sloppy joe accomplishes the same thing" and thereby gets by using wobbly stocks, gritty unpredictable triggers, non ff rails, no QD mounts, standard A2 f/h, etc. I just wish others would not have a problem with folks who actually strive to tap every ounce of ability and performance out of a build and prefer to eat the filet mignon.
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    I guess it's a good thing we have so many options.

    For me the sheer solidness of the UBR has me sold on it's use on my "semi lightweight" 11.5. I've decided to keep the MOE fore end with IWC light setup. I was going to outfit it to accept my suppressor (YHM Stainless), but I'm not quite sold on that yet.

    I find the UBR a tad heavy for me on my 14.5 with 1-4x scope. For that I use a CTR, but for 9oz more I could get the most solid retractable stock on the market.

    After writing this I just realized the magical wonder of the AR platform, they're just like Lego's, you can pretty much make anything out of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    I guess I am lucky since I don't have to "assume" the advantages of the UBR...I actually get to experience them in their great quantity.

    I have absolutely no problem with someone who believes in the ole.."why use a filet mignon when a sloppy joe accomplishes the same thing" and thereby gets by using wobbly stocks, gritty unpredictable triggers, non ff rails, no QD mounts, standard A2 f/h, etc. I just wish others would not have a problem with folks who actually strive to tap every ounce of ability and performance out of a build and prefer to eat the filet mignon.
    I *might* buy that argument if I didn't constantly encounter shooters with all those performance enhancing products that can't hit the broad side of a barn and who can be timed with a sundial. I shudder to think how bad they'd be WITHOUT all those crutches!

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    It is interesting how a simple item like a stock can be so polarizing. I just don't get all the emotionalizing. It is simply a different stock, some weigh a little more, some weigh a little less... I suppose I don't understand the myopic, "If you don't chose the same gear as me you are probably a bad shooter!" mentality.

    It is simple; ARs, like people, come in all shapes and sizes, I no longer have to hump a rifle all day so I don't mind a using a solid stock that balances my penchant for long(er) rails, that also has presets and a great cheek weld.

    Rob, it would be a mistake to assume that just because the guys you shoot with can't hit the broad side of a barn it is because they have a different stock than you prefer. I was at our last 3-gun match and had my clock cleaned by a guy running a carbine at least a couple of pounds heavier than mine and he had a gasp PRS.

    Maybe these guys should reconsider their choice of performance enhancing stocks?



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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    I guess I am lucky since I don't have to "assume" the advantages of the UBR...I actually get to experience them in their great quantity.

    I have absolutely no problem with someone who believes in the ole.."why use a filet mignon when a sloppy joe accomplishes the same thing" and thereby gets by using wobbly stocks, gritty unpredictable triggers, non ff rails, no QD mounts, standard A2 f/h, etc. I just wish others would not have a problem with folks who actually strive to tap every ounce of ability and performance out of a build and prefer to eat the filet mignon.
    Good analogy. I buy rib eye or filet when I buy steaks. I've wanted to try the UBR. I am afraid I might like them and have to buy one for all of my guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    It is interesting how a simple item like a stock can be so polarizing. I just don't get all the emotionalizing. It is simply a different stock, some weigh a little more, some weigh a little less... I suppose I don't understand the myopic, "If you don't chose the same gear as me you are probably a bad shooter!" mentality.Cameron
    I think the main issue is that initially the title pointed toward a lightweight build, and the UBR is not a relatively lightweight option when compared to several competing stocks. Now that the title is changed, many of the replies may not be as applicable.

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