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Thread: What kind of accuracy should I be *ahem* shooting for?

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    New AR Shooter

    I am new to shooting AR but in prone position with bipod support I was hitting a 8" steel circle at 300 yds consistently with 55 gr 5.56 ammo,optics are important I used a 3x magnifier with Eotech XPS2-2 red dot......I shoot a SS Noveske 14.5 Afghan I was impressed with how accurate the rifle was!! Lots of fun!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by masternave View Post
    I have only a few years experience shooting. I can make rounds touch with my bolt action at 100 paces, (around 250 ft, never bothered to really measured,) if that gives any indication of my shooting ability. I'm speaking of benched slow fire from an AR. Mostly I'm trying to ascertain how much of what I feel to be inaccuracy is me and how much is my gun. I always have assumed it to be me but after some recent groups with the bolt action I'm beginning to doubt my trusty AR a bit. A little reading tells me that a MOA is an inch at 100 yards... that means I should be able to put them all in 2" group at 100 yards. I guess I'll strive for that. After finals I'll make a little test for myself and my rifle. Thank you very much for your advice.

    Best advice I can give is based on real world experience on my part. also based on my mistakes of the past and is simple in concept and fairly easy in execution.

    4 MOA from a field position. get off the bench entirely. learn to shoot properly. when you get good enough you WILL start to notice ammo and gun limitations, but most shooters are not even that capable.

    4 MOA is a practical,and useful accuracy because it include shooter error and platform error. it's significant because it means that if you can shoot at least 4 MOA then you can hit a standing man at 500 yards or a head shot at 200. anything under that should be easier once you can do this level of accuracy.

    Rifle by itself should be capable of about 2.5 MOA or less, but that is not the limiting factor... you as the shooter will almost always be that limit.
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    Lightbulb edge-of-reticle aiming

    Quote Originally Posted by hammonje View Post
    You have gotten sub-MOA groups with an unmagnified RDS. I find that ridiculous. How small is the reticle???? 2 or 4 MOA. That would therefore be impossible to acheive a sub-MOA group.

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    An RDS is a combat optic and not made for precision shooting. Go with a magnified optic with a cross-hair reticle for increased precision.
    I am a very new shooter. However, the advice of my much more experienced friend reminded me, when we had this exact conversation, that consistency of sight picture is key when you are shooting for groups. To that end, his trick for "precision" shooting (when benched) using a RDS or other non/low-magnified "combat" type optic is to use the edge of the dot for aiming.

    In fact... if you read a bit on trajectory of the XM193, you can set up the Improved BattleSight Zero such that the drop out at 100yds (as an example) works itself out to approx 2" of drop... convenient when you have, say, a 2 or 4 MOA dot...

    This isn't unlike some of the tricks to using the ACOG chevron reticle to your advantage.

    Food for thought anyhow... I'm sure actually pulling this type of precision shooting will require more technique than I've got currently, and that ain't no joke.

    It definitely gives me pause though to what can be overcome with the proper setup and use of the tools at hand.

    Comments are welcome though... please enlighten me!
    Last edited by scootle; 12-23-10 at 04:09.

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    2 or 3 MOA at 100 meters is plenty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by variablebinary View Post
    2 or 3 MOA at 100 meters is plenty good.
    ^^ This! Draw a 3 inch circle on your chest/head...would you want to be hit where that circle covers?

    I dont really understand all the "MOA" talk. We arent speaking of benchrest match guns. Yes its a measuring system, but to expect sub moa groups out of a semi auto carbine is a bit much. Ya it could/can/has happened, but its not a must have.

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