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Thread: Can SBR and non-SBR rifles happily (LEGALLY) coexist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whootsinator View Post
    Judging by this post, are you one of those people that won't use a full-auto bolt carrier because you 'don't want to tempt the BATFE'?
    The word "tempt" along with the were an effort to lighten the tone of my post.

    And I guess I'd be a dumbass if I answered your question about full auto carriers on a public forum.

    I think this thread is a perfect example of how murky and seemingly arbritrary the world of BATFE is. I personally don't see any return on the risk of having short barreled uppers in the same location as unmarried Title 1 (non-pistol) lowers.
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    Except your example is ridiculous. We have had these discussions time after time. Unless you are drawing attention to yourself and peddling dope from the house I don't see the issue.

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    I tried to put a light spin on my post, but when it comes to the BATFE, better safe than sorry.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Except your example is ridiculous. We have had these discussions time after time. Unless you are drawing attention to yourself and peddling dope from the house I don't see the issue.
    I was responding to the word "legally" in the OP's post. What the BATFE doesn't know certainly won't hurt them, but I didn't see that being asked.
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    You will be surprised to find out that when you get your stamp.... No one gives a shit. No one cares to see it.... No one looks at your engravings if you have them... none of that shit matters if you're not running another illegal operation... meth lab... illegal gun sales, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    You will be surprised to find out that when you get your stamp.... No one gives a shit. No one cares to see it.... No one looks at your engravings if you have them... none of that shit matters if you're not running another illegal operation... meth lab... illegal gun sales, etc.
    These are responses I would not expect to see on M4C... I'm reading that it's OK to skirt the law because those responsible for enforcing it don't care...?

    Where do you guys draw the line, then?

    I can see telling someone that getting a tax stamp is no big deal. I get that. The paperwork takes ten minutes to fill out. I've done it half a dozen times myself and it's now about as exciting as sending in a warranty card. And you're right, I've never once been asked by anyone to show a copy of my tax stamp or whatever.

    But to tell someone new to the NFA world that certain things that might be an issue if BATFE knew about them are not worth worrying about because the BATFE will never know about them -- seems odd at best.

    I don't have any Title 1 lowers in my safe that are not married to Title 1 uppers. I don't loan out my NFA stuff to friends. I guess I'm just that guy.
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    I don't think any one is suggesting folks do anything illegal. It really comes down to what your comfortable with. If you want to wait to buy wait. I bought a short upper and kept it in my locker at work for a while. Then I brought it home after a while.

    If it keeps you up at night wait until every thing is done. I have three AR's two are SBR'S. I plan to build a14.5" A2 today when the bbl arives. I am completely comfortable with that. Some people are not. Buy or build a pistol lower for the short upper that make some people more comfortable. I do see a few more tax stamps in my future. I have an A1 upper waiting for an 11.5" bbl from Santa!
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    The problem is that I don't personally believe that there is a 100% correct answer. In addition, unless YOU ARE DOING something to draw attention to yourself and thereby prompting an investigation of your doings, it should be a non-issue.

    I also wouldn't loan out my NFA stuff because as far as I know it is UNLAWFUL unless they are on a trust and a person named on that trust is present.

    Quote Originally Posted by caporider View Post
    These are responses I would not expect to see on M4C... I'm reading that it's OK to skirt the law because those responsible for enforcing it don't care...?

    Where do you guys draw the line, then?

    I can see telling someone that getting a tax stamp is no big deal. I get that. The paperwork takes ten minutes to fill out. I've done it half a dozen times myself and it's now about as exciting as sending in a warranty card. And you're right, I've never once been asked by anyone to show a copy of my tax stamp or whatever.

    But to tell someone new to the NFA world that certain things that might be an issue if BATFE knew about them are not worth worrying about because the BATFE will never know about them -- seems odd at best.

    I don't have any Title 1 lowers in my safe that are not married to Title 1 uppers. I don't loan out my NFA stuff to friends. I guess I'm just that guy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    The problem is that I don't personally believe that there is a 100% correct answer. In addition, unless YOU ARE DOING something to draw attention to yourself and thereby prompting an investigation of your doings, it should be a non-issue.

    I also wouldn't loan out my NFA stuff because as far as I know it is UNLAWFUL unless they are on a trust and a person named on that trust is present.
    My whole point with starting this thread was to see if it was something that was strictly prohibited. Obviously, it is something that is not. Unfortunately it is also something that is not spelled out as allowable. In this country (typically) if it's not been promulgated by law to be forbidden, then your usually (and I stress usually) good to go. Any questions would be handled on a case by case situation.

    While this thread has brought up some good points I think we've been able to answer my original question with "don't do anything with clear illegal intent and don't do anything stupid or illegal to draw additional attention and scrutiny to yourself."

    Time to put this thread to bed! lock 'er down!

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    You can "what if" this type of thing to death. And there's just some people who need to cling to black and white guidelines.

    To me it's just common sense. Don't build anything illegal, and go about your business.

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